1.1.3 Patch Notes

[Twil1ight]

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Sorry but i’m not one of those who are reading in people minds.

[Sam17z]

What happens when a sellword and a merc guard the same number?

[Firekitten]

The universe explodes

Tbh I would let sellsword get priority but that’s just me

[Twil1ight]

In situation when for example:
3 is Merc and 5 is Sellsword and they both using their abillities on 8, i would say 5 will be prevented. i believe.

[Firekitten]

Tbh the universe exploding made more sense

/s

[Sam17z]

And sellsword is basically a knights frenzy for scum but it is used every night instead of 1 use. Ok you want to change merc. You changed merc. But don’t add sellsword. It just brings a bad dynamic to the game.

[Twil1ight]

@Sam17z

knights frenzy

Wait what?

[Sam17z]

Prince outs d1. sellsword guards prince unseen attacks prince. King is evil. Prince dies N1

[Firekitten]

The unseen are assuming there is a sellsword

[Twil1ight]

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This is the worst possible outcome so what? What if Prince won’t himself Day 1?

[Firekitten]

Good point

NK already killed the prince

What’s the sellsword going to do again? Reinforce the Prince not outting d1 meta

[Sam17z]

Mastermind converts N1 sheriff find assasin outs him to court because of EK. Assasin get lynched. Sellsword guards sheriff. Unseen attacks sheriff gg sheriff.

[Twil1ight]

You’re still forgeting one detail…
Sellsword is not a scum and either Evils don’t know if there is Sellsword.

@Sam17z

because of EK

EK who scumslipped Day 1/Day 2? Seems about right.

[Sam17z]

Sellsword is a scum because he wins with scum. He is an extra vote for scum.

[Sam17z]

But you attack the sheriff assuming a sellsword. Testing if there is one

[Twil1ight]

A “scum” who is winning with NK isn’t technically a “scum” because NK isn’t evil even though he need to kill almost everyone.

@Sam17z

But you attack the sheriff assuming a sellsword. Testing if there is one

If you like take a risks then sure.

[Firekitten]

High risk high reward

[NuclearBurrito]

@RHCube

This doesn’t make sense. What about abilities that can target two different players, like assassin’s 2 for 1? Prevention would normally only prevent one target. Just merge the messages for prevention and immunity instead. That would be balanced and it makes more sense.

Presumably you would be able to tell if one of your targets was prevented rather than you being occupied. However you wouldn’t know if it was both of your targets prevented vs you being occupied.

@RHCube

I’ve been waiting for this. Cold steel also shouldn’t make them redirection immune though. It doesn’t need it.

It doesn’t

@RHCube

Why? It was fine, and it makes sense since it’s better(in some situations) than the direct BD killing abilities. Paladin isn’t even a killing class. Just make Sheriff into the evil faction soft counter, and change paladin into something else.

Because people complained about it not working in time for the second convert

@RHCube

Was this needed? Sure, the old scout wasn’t fun, but this version still only affects the unseen, and doesn’t take a lot of skill. Also, here’s another issue with this: 5 died and was visited by unseen. It’s obvious that the assassin visited them. Just change it so it determines what classes visit your target at night.

I don’t personally think it was needed but it does make it much easier to talk your way out of an accusation based on scout.

Plus seeing all visitors as a day ability on an otherwise good fake claim is a terrible idea because you can’t fake that and it can auto confirm basically everyone at once including the sheriff.

[NuclearBurrito]

Also it’s completely fine for the sheriff/paladin to only effect the faction they are designed to counter. It’s kinda their whole point.

[Sam17z]

Any response to my arguement that sellsword is like a Enforcer frenzy every night?

@Twil1ight you were confused about the frenzy