6d6 Mafia - Game Over - Town Wins

[Solic]

@Solic

Or additionally, if Wolfy flips town then Alfa could also walk back to her point of it being a TvT and avoid having to push on Solic.

Much of Solic’s arguments this game have been extremely forced and his reluctance to vote Alfa up and even soft-defending her by calling out us going onto an inactive makes me doubt that he’s town. Plus, she did also put Solic as a townlean based on a gut feeling.

Why don’t you just call out those arguments instead of just dismissing them and calling them “extremely forced”.

I’m waiting Sarun.

@Alice

She would not need to be bothered or affected by this statement were she town. The entire point here is that I’m pointing out a potential association between you and her.

You’re completely reaching when you said “so defensive”. If anything it was more of a clarification on a previous post.

@Alice

Would you stop spamming buzzwords and whatnot? The entire point of that post was to further nail Alfa on behavior that shouldn’t be present on a towny. The fact that you’re repeatedly attacking my attacks on the person most likely to flip scum right now really makes me believe you’re a VI as you wouldn’t be that dumb to do it as scum. TWTBAW, to be more precise.

I’ll stop calling your LAMIST fluff once you stop posting it.

@Alice

Then why did you swap your vote to me after Marl posted that?

Now this is a very BLATANT misrepresentation of my stance in the game.

@Solic

I’ll look for alternatives and with 20 hours left we CFD unto Wolfy if I’m not convinced of someone else and if he’s town I’ll get lynched tomorrow? Deal shepherd?

@Marluxion

sure, dealio

Seems pretty clear cut, yet you have to use that terminology to discredit me alongside the other ad hominems you’re throwing out there in this post. Am I scum or a VI? You can’t have it both ways with your double-sided statements like Wolfy.

@Alice

Because he has a point. You’re playing like absolute shit here and I really think you’re likely scum or a VI for these arguments and the fact that your analysis are all terrible here.

Where are my analyses terrible? Why are you avoiding going into depth and actually arguing against some of my points? Why are you avoiding reading Wolfy just the same? I have seen you analyse almost no posts of Wolfy.

@Alice

Again, the fact why you don’t see the reasoning behind the CFD onto Alfa and you believe this is a BS push by both Wolfy and I further solidifies why I think you’re either a VI here or a scumbuddy with her. I have very good reason to believe that she is scum right now and it’s not due to her initial 9 posts. That’s all I’ll say for now.

Why can’t you just post your very good reasons to believe that she is scum??? It might just convince me if they’re THAT good.

[Marluxion]

ladies you’re both incredibly towny now help me lynch alfa

[Firekitten]

Just stop arguing with each other and vote alfa. Literally I feel like your both town as solic wouldn’t defend his scum buddy this hard.

[Marluxion]

Solic wouldn’t tunnel Wolfy as scum also

Full stop
He woudn’t
He’d bus the shit out of his scum mate as scum here

[Alice]

@Solic

I’m waiting Sarun.

Sigh, calling Wolfy’s bragging as a scumslip, accusing his politeness of pocketing, accusing me of being scum for FoSing you. Need I go on? I’m having a hard time taking you seriously this match over all your bad arguments so far.

@Solic

You’re completely reaching when you said “so defensive”. If anything it was more of a clarification on a previous post.

Except that there’s no damn reason why a townie should do that. A townie should be focusing on hunting scum first and foremost.

@Solic

I’ll stop calling your LAMIST fluff once you stop posting it.

I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall at this point. Alfa should not have had that reaction to my post, that’s why I pointed it out.

@Solic

Now this is a very BLATANT misrepresentation of my stance in the game.

Then vote him rather than fish for someone else’s wagon.

@Solic

Seems pretty clear cut, yet you have to use that terminology to discredit me alongside the other ad hominems you’re throwing out there in this post. Am I scum or a VI? You can’t have it both ways with your double-sided statements like Wolfy.

At first I thought you were scum, but the sheer stubbornness alongside your inane behavior is coming to me as a VI. Were you someone else I’d say you were probably a VI, but since I know that you’re a very competent player I’m not discounting the chance of you being scum.

@Solic

Where are my analyses terrible? Why are you avoiding going into depth and actually arguing against some of my points? Why are you avoiding reading Wolfy just the same? I have seen you analyse almost no posts of Wolfy.

Because aside from the nonstop tunneling and bad arguments you’re doing here, you also fail to see why everyone is voting Alfa. I’m not going to inform you why as if you’re scum that’ll only help you. I have been analyzing Wolfy and I’d say he’s a townlean to me.

@Solic

Why can’t you just post your very good reasons to believe that she is scum??? It might just convince me if they’re THAT good.

As I said before, I’m not telling anyone for now. Just vote her.

[Firekitten]

Literally stop arguing with him, you aren’t going to convince him as he is fully convince wolfy is scum. Literally just wait for him to vote alfa

[Solic]

@Alice

Sigh, calling Wolfy’s bragging as a scumslip, accusing his politeness of pocketing, accusing me of being scum for FoSing you. Need I go on? I’m having a hard time taking you seriously this match over all your bad arguments so far.

1. It wasn’t that and I’ve clarified that multiple times, yet you have chosen to ignore it multiple times.
2. This is a thing.
3. I didn’t accuse you, because of that. I accused you, because you for no reason referred to FK’s RVS voting as deathtunneling to try and put shade on him.

So yes, PLEASE do go on, because this is no counter whatsoever.

This is classic IIoA, where you’re just summarizing my points instead of actually analyzing them and making a counterargument.

@Alice

Except that there’s no damn reason why a townie should do that. A townie should be focusing on hunting scum first and foremost.

Their vote was already on Wolfy, who they said looked scummy to them.

@Alice

I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall at this point. Alfa should not have had that reaction to my post, that’s why I pointed it out.

It was really not as defensive as you made it out to be.

@Alice

Then vote him rather than fish for someone else’s wagon.

I have been voting him per the agreement for ages now. I would be completely fine with CFDing unto you as I see you as a pair now, but I don’t think I can make that case in time. Besides Wolfy’s scum flip would make it easier to convince them why you are scum together.

@Alice

At first I thought you were scum, but the sheer stubbornness alongside your inane behavior is coming to me as a VI. Were you someone else I’d say you were probably a VI, but since I know that you’re a very competent player I’m not discounting the chance of you being scum.

Do I hear “hedging”?

[Alice]

@Solic

It wasn’t that and I’ve clarified that multiple times, yet you have chosen to ignore it multiple times.

Then explain to me why you find Wolfy to be likely scum?

@Solic

I didn’t accuse you, because of that. I accused you, because you for no reason referred to FK’s RVS voting as deathtunneling to try and put shade on him.

Except that I just remarked that his posting was odd, I didn’t FoS him or anything like that.

@Solic

This is classic IIoA, where you’re just summarizing my points instead of actually analyzing them and making a counterargument.

Not really, the fact is that the sheer amount of bad points you’re making is absolutely making me see you as scum as there’s no need for a townie to use fallacious arguments to nail scum. Ultimately I’m not discounting the possibility of you being a VI here due to your recklessness and stubborness.

@Solic

Their vote was already on Wolfy, who they said looked scummy to them.

I meant as in their response to me was not needed.

@Solic

It was really not as defensive as you made it out to be.

Yes. Yes it did.

@Solic

I have been voting him per the agreement for ages now. I would be completely fine with CFDing unto you as I see you as a pair now, but I don’t think I can make that case in time. Besides Wolfy’s scum flip would make it easier to convince them why you are scum together.

Then make the case now.

@Solic

Do I hear “hedging”?

At first I was certain that’d you flip scum, but the fact that you’re so keen on defending Alfa makes me re-evaluate my analysis as that’d be just downright suicidal to do as scum. I’d much prefer a cop to check you right now.

[Solic]

@Alice

Then explain to me why you find Wolfy to be likely scum?

… Literally just ISO me. I’m not going to repeat myself once again. He’s had many scumtells.

@Alice

I didn’t accuse you, because of that. I accused you, because you for no reason referred to FK’s RVS voting as deathtunneling to try and put shade on him.

Except that I just remarked that his posting was odd, I didn’t FoS him or anything like that.

My first wall post indicates why I found you suspicious alongside with Wolfy. The misnomer of death tunneling pinged me most though. Town would have no need to do that.

@Alice

Not really, the fact is that the sheer amount of bad points you’re making is absolutely making me see you as scum as there’s no need for a townie to use fallacious arguments to nail scum. Ultimately I’m not discounting the possibility of you being a VI here due to your recklessness and stubborness.

You haven’t actually gone into the fact why those points are bad though. You just summarized a part of them. That is just repeating some information, but not actually analyzing it. You can’t call something bad, but not argue why it is bad.

@Alice

I meant as in their response to me was not needed.

It was one sentence that just clarified their thought process. I’d feel that’d be warranted regardless of alignment.

@Alice

Yes. Yes it did.

No, it wasn’t.

@Alice

Then make the case now.

It’d be fruitless, because it’d fall on deaf ears.

@Alice

At first I was certain that’d you flip scum, but the fact that you’re so keen on defending Alfa makes me re-evaluate my analysis as that’d be just downright suicidal to do as scum. I’d much prefer a cop to check you right now.

I’m not defending Alfa. I’m attacking you and the points that you are making. Another misrepresatation of my stance. Great.

[Solic]

@Marluxion

IF ALFA FLIPS TOWN HERE

Town
Tunnel Wolfy until he flips
Do NOT stop tunneling Wolfy until his flip
After that, tunnel Sarun

I’d rather have an Alfa lynch than no lynch or they can continue to push her tomorrow. So /vote Alfa I think she’s at 5 now.

[Solic]

Better yet, you can also ISO Wolfy and tell me why you think he’s town.

[Firekitten]

You have tunnel vision tbh you need to just take a step back and look at this again.

[Alice]

@Solic

You haven’t actually gone into the fact why those points are bad though. You just summarized a part of them. That is just repeating some information, but not actually analyzing it. You can’t call something bad, but not argue why it is bad.

The case on politeness is NAI as Wolfy’s polite regardless of his alignment. The case on his bragging as scum is also NAI as there’s no town nor scum motivation behind him and it’s essentially just him and you having a dick-measuring contest.

@Solic

It was one sentence that just clarified their thought process. I’d feel that’d be warranted regardless of alignment.

Not really. The entire argument there was between Alfa and Wolfy. There’s no need for her to include you there.

@Solic

It’d be fruitless, because it’d fall on deaf ears.

Right…

@Solic

I’m not defending Alfa. I’m attacking you and the points that you are making. Another misrepresatation of my stance. Great.

See how you’ve been hesitant to vote her up and even kept framing this as Mafia trying to secure another mislynch.

@Solic

Better yet, you can also ISO Wolfy and tell me why you think he’s town.

Mostly through associative reads. Alfa is lock-scum to me and the fact that you’re defending her while also attacking Wolfy along with here makes me see this as Wolfy being town while you and Alfa being on the same scumteam. Which is why I want a cop to check you tonight as you’re either scum or prime mislynch bait here.

[Solic]

I will reread the thread if Alfa flips scum.

[Firekitten]

K start reading it then

[Solic]

@Solic

Also Marl, I’m really disappointed in you yet again. You say that my quote about “At least I can win more games as scum as you” was fishy. I thought you would have been smarter and interpreted correctly. As in, I have played more scum games than you Solic, and will more than likely still be able to win more games as scum compared to you. Just, Marl…

Solic:

You’re ignoring half of my posts, so there is no use in convincing you. I just have to convince the rest.

Wolfy:

Out of us two, who would they likely listen to more though? A somewhat newbie who still appers to be open wolfing too much much and twisting words, or someone who had a bit more experience and can actually win as scum

How is it a valid counterpoint to this post to say that you played more scum games than me and you have more scum experience. You were meant to say which one of looks more town, but you slipped up, because you know yourself you are scum.

@Solic

No no, he’s doing said “bragging” in response to a post to which it makes no sense to brag about being scum, because he meant to say town. He slipped up. He tried to cover it up later by saying he was bragging about his scum game forreal.

@Alice

The case on politeness is NAI as Wolfy’s polite regardless of his alignment. The case on his bragging as scum is also NAI as there’s no town nor scum motivation behind him and it’s essentially just him and you having a dick-measuring contest.

I’ve already conceded on the first point and I’ve already reacted to the second point that you’re misrepresenting. He was NOT bragging about scum. It makes no sense in the context of the posts.

[Solic]

@Icibalus

Please replace out Overthebin, it’s been 6 days and can we get a VC??

[Alice]

I think OTB may end up being Mafia, though. A meta-read on his play in AAFM shows that lurking seems to be his entire playstyle when rolling evils.

Honestly, if two thirds of scum in this match end up being lurkers then I’ll be so damn pissed, tbh.

[Alice]

Also, off-topic, but the sheer amount of people on this site who use lurking as a strategy when playing scum is essentially going to make me put a slank vig or two on all of my future games, ngl.

[Marluxion]

It’s going to make me make my games invitational :^)