MM can’t “scout” their brand new convert and out them, since they have to “discuss” it with them beforehand and it’s kind of suspicious to whisper the guy you claim is Unseen.
So I hope one day this strategy can become viable by letting Mastermind know upon conversion if the player is okay with bussing without consent.
Hey, I usually try something similar. Should not share strategies here cause they become bad the more people know about it but ok. Convert, n2 ask for bussing and them we up the “visited”. It will make them think Unseen had no converts n1 and confirm the MM as Sheriff for a while, who knows even make GK waste Fealty on them. Depending from my conversion and what MM is claiming I can ask MM to do it with me, honestly just a few classes are worthy keeping.
That’s a really great idea, it actually entered my mind while I was writing this topic lol
Technically, you have 1-2 seconds after the night timer ends to say something that all unseen/cult inc then conversions can see. I know that using that to let you’re convert know you are bussing them is okay because @anon29151597 converted me to the cult as an outed observer and gave me a plan.
Haha yeah but personally I prefer to ask the guy beforehand, that’s a solution but it’s unsatisfying to me
Oh yeah, true, I usually use it to quickly warn everyone else what happened with my action that night. This also gives me an idea, why not make it intentional? As it is likely a bug.
Make Unseen able to talk while the court is getting the info of who died, maybe?
Yeah but ask for additional time is too much, I would be happy with just the chance of using the “deaths during the night” time
what if there were something like an “initiation message”. It appears similar to private notes. IE the MM or cult leader can type it up, possibly with notes of things for the converted to see the first day he’s converted. Would permit convert and bus strategies so long as they are explained, or possibly pre-plans of people to push on for an immidiate mislynch (good if you are converting say a confirmed investigator and want the initial accusation to have clout) etc…
/support 100%
even a simpler form like merc contract message permitting bus would make me happy (i speak for myself xD)
What about an option in your game profile thay you can check or uncheck that says, “I am fine with being bussed.” And it is visible in game to teammates?
while I agree with it (I think I may have even suggested it at the time). It doesn’t really solve one of the main parts of it. IE the existing unseen have had more time planning etc… than a fresh convert.
The rule as it is isn’t that you can’t bus someone that disagrees. If I understand the dev’s correctly.
MM - I’m going to bus you tommorow
Ass: No I don’t want to be bussed
Next day -
MM: N3 - Ass unsen
The MM is still on the right side of gamethrowing in this example. The rule just requires you to let them know you are bussing them to raise the odds of winning, rather than because you want to troll your own team. For that though, it should be the existing members of the evil faction that make the call, rather than hoping the newer one opts in (or doesn’t opt out). In reality his refusal is more likely to be gamethrowing than helping.
Here is the thing. You don’t actually need permission to bus someone. You just need to warn them that you are doing it rather than throwing.
I understand that, it’s just personally I feel uncomfortable bussing someone who told me not to bus them. I feel better just piling all the blame on them after we lose 
This would be a huge buff actually and I like it. It would allow people to coordinate better and it would be awesome.
I mean I think you are underestimating it.
People will totally use it D2 tbh.
But then illusionist is kinda useless…
