Alice’s Danganronpa 2: Despairful Panic at the Hopeful Camp- Brainstorming/Criticism

[Geyde]

@Alice

There needs to be stalement breakers otherwise the game ends up turning from Danganronpa into Geyde, App, and Dat just spending the entire time turning the place up-side down for clues.

Scooby Doo was pretty fun

[Moleland]

Are you removing voting mm as a easy to block the mistrial lose condition?

Can people vote dead players - even if they died 92 chapters ago

[Solic]

If bunching up has to be discouraged, have only good roles suffer harsh negative modifiers/penalties for doing so? Like have a infectious plague turn up that requires medicine or a mental health penalty for not having alone time requiring them to kill within x hours if if triggers. Just spitballing things.

I pretty much like all the features except the future foundation one. This mode has enough interesting things in it that that is not necessary and having a strong role like that is swingy depending on who rolls it.

[Italy]

i assume the traitors are also there so the mastermind has a way to deal with the agent?
unless you’re allowing MM to become the blackened

[Arete]

Is the Future Foundation Agent’s wincon the same as the rest of the participants

If not is it known

something something Chiaki Nanami is Very Good

[Alice]

@PokemonKidRyan

Only issue is if people choose to vote to eliminate a threat such as Italy after I tricked the Serial Killer mode. Some form of protection therefore has to be considered for different roles.

There’s the failed trial counter that exists, so people are strongly discouraged from getting executions wrong.

@PokemonKidRyan

I feel like Marshal had a very balanced rolecard despite it taking up 1 ability before so consideration needs to be towards the power of the other abilities of the alt wincon players.

I’m never adding a super-private inventory again, tbh. Marshal hiding the poison basically made the case nigh-unsolvable.

@PokemonKidRyan

This sounds intriguing. Do you have any idea what sort of things the Mastermind might do as their wincons? Based on the sound of things the Mastermind would get to dictate their wincon so I think this is something which should be addressed. Could be too hard on the Traitors in this case or too easy.

It’s a template, so it’s not like the MM will be able to make it impossible.

@PokemonKidRyan

The last bit is somewhat of an issue I think unless the Vanillizing is private knowledge. As then the wildcard could just claim and then have the pity points of “Well, now you can see I am not a threat and I am on your side”. Implementation for this would be tricky but I love the idea because wildcards are good fun.

Yeah, I’m probably going to have to balance this out somehow. I’m basically trying to find a way to prevent WCs from open-claiming. It should be obvious that people won’t open-claim as Traitor or MM, but the WC aspect is still there.

[Marshal]

idea: if you die in the game you die in real life

real idea: don’t make a “public” room like cafeteria that everyone can see

instant alibi done

possible cameras or something for some room but that kinda made cafeteria camping super valid

[PokemonKidRyan]

@Italy

i assume the traitors are also there so the mastermind has a way to deal with the agent?
unless you’re allowing MM to become the blackened

The MM is not allowed to become the blackened.
Read the bit on the Mastermind ^^

[Alice]

Yep, voting the MM only stop mistrails on the first part as they will be swapped and put into a stealth mode.

@Moleland

Can people vote dead players - even if they died 92 chapters ago

No, only if they died the same chapter.

[PokemonKidRyan]

Or if there is a public room, there needs to be a time limit on being in it at any time before being ejected from it. A reasonable amount of time to eat, drink and plot something if you were to poison stuff should it be the cafeteria again.

[Italy]

mastermind should be more informed
they set everything up, after all

[Moleland]

Ye.

[Alice]

Yep, “Eliminate the Agent and get away with it.” will probably be in the template for traitor wincons I’m making.

[Alice]

@Marshal

real idea: don’t make a “public” room like cafeteria that everyone can see

Yeah, I’m doing that.

This basically means that people can just pull a gorta and be insta-cleared by doing absolutely nothing. The main thread will just be for announcements and shit.

[Alice]

This will be in part with the MM buffs.

[Marshal]

also just a miscs thing in general

make a specific requirement for activity and enforce it

so you don’t have people signing up and doing nothing, or getting force replaced after doing nothing and being mad

[Marshal]

nobody should be able to be cleared for “they are barely paying attention to game, no way did they do such an elaborate kill”

[Zone_Q11]

@Alice

Feature #4 Traitors

At the start of the game, one or two of the sixteen players will have their role as a Traitor . Instead of a normal wincon they will have wincons that are dictated by the Mastermind and work as a means to further their agenda. In addition, the Mastermind knows the Traitors’ identities and may anonymously talk with them. Effectively, the Traitors work as a means for the Mastermind to further their own wincon.

How exactly do you plan to do the underlined part?

@Alice

Feature #6 AP/MP Revamp

AP/MP will both be merged into one, and movement will only cost 1 MP regardless of the distance traveled, in addition actions should be submitted in the following format in order to help me keep up with stuff.

/search boxes (42/60)

With the player previously having 43 MP of a maximum of 60.

How do we know how much 1 MP can do?

The example gives the player the feedback of “searching multiple boxes” but what if someobe is uninformed and spams “search box [insert number]” while thinking that they have to search the boxes separately?

@Alice

Feature #7 Mastermind Revamp

The Mastermind still cannot kill, but if they are murdered or executed they do not lose and they can still keep on playing the game from beyond the shadows, imagine a Junko/Mukuro scenario. This is basically done to stop people from trying to end the game early on.

How… are we supposed to know whether a Victim is the Mastermind or not?

@Alice

Feature #8 ??? Rooms

I’m adding 16 locked rooms in the map. They are all called “Room #N” with the N being 1 through 16. What are they will be you to find out.

Speaking of rooms, will the dorms stay the same? One square in the map while actually having multiple rooms?

[Italy]

@Zone_Q11

How exactly do you plan to do the underlined part?

probably through their rolecard

[Alice]

@Marshal

make a specific requirement for activity and enforce it

I’m probably just blacklisting gorta from this game, tbh.

He literally did nothing during the game except for moving between the W. Commons and Caferia this match while everyone else like even low-activity players like CRich, Vul, or Uni at least did something like participate in trials or investigate during the deadly life phase.

I wanted to give him another chance as I have being that person, but after his play in VLDR2 I just don’t think I’ll accept his /ins in DR anymore as his slot doesn’t impact the game in any way whatsoever.