Alice’s Danganronpa 2: Despairful Panic at the Hopeful Camp- Brainstorming/Criticism

[Moleland]

I know, but it immediately reminded me of Unova lol

[KyoDaz]

Thoughts

@Alice

Feature #1 Misexecutions

If a player is voted as the blackened without committing a murder, they will still be executed regardless. The point here is to make sure that players fight harder against accusations here as in the original game people didn’t really care much about being voted the Blackened, especially the earlier stages. So now in order to raise the stakes of a trial, you will die at the end regardless if you killed or not.

Agree on this.

@Alice

Feature #2 Wincon Revamp and Additional Roles.

Rather than the wincon taking over a passive, players with a different wincon will instead be given it as an Identity Passive . Identity Passives, marked with an (I ), are for players who have roles different than normal participants. If you don’t have an Identity Passive, then you’re just a normal participant.

Alright, so it’s just a cosmetic classcard change. Don’t see any reason to disagree.

@Alice

Feature #3 The Future Foundation Agent

At the start of the game, one of the sixteen players will have their role as the Agent of the Future Foundation . They have higher stats than average, have a passive that gives them files regarding the game at the start of each chapter which can help find evils and whatnot, while at the same time having restrictions regarding killing potential. However it is not recommended to claim this role as it will put a bullseye on your back for the Mastermind.

Interesting. Seems like it has enough levers to tweek to balance it.

@Alice

Feature #4 Traitors

At the start of the game, one or two of the sixteen players will have their role as a Traitor . Instead of a normal wincon they will have wincons that are dictated by the Mastermind and work as a means to further their agenda. In addition, the Mastermind knows the Traitors’ identities and may anonymously talk with them. Effectively, the Traitors work as a means for the Mastermind to further their own wincon.

Same advice as Future Foundation Agent

@Alice

Feature #5 Wildcards

At the start of the game, two or three of the sixteen players will have their role as a Wildcard . Wildcards have significantly stronger actions and may begin with items, however their wincon is two-tiered. First they must accomplish their WC wincon, and then they will be allowed to win as a regular participant. Their WC wincon usually is about causing chaos and discord while at the same time allowing them to win as a surviving participant.

I could see this being really frustrating for normal participants. Not sure if this would be enjoyable to play against.

@Alice

Feature #6 AP/MP Revamp

AP/MP will both be merged into one, and movement will only cost 1 MP regardless of the distance traveled, in addition actions should be submitted in the following format in order to help me keep up with stuff.

/search boxes (42/60)

With the player previously having 43 MP of a maximum of 60.

Good simplicity change. Agree.

@Alice

Feature #7 Mastermind Revamp

The Mastermind still cannot kill, but if they are murdered or executed they do not lose and they can still keep on playing the game from beyond the shadows, imagine a [SPOILERED]
scenario. This is basically done to stop people from trying to end the game early on.

I don’t really think this is a good idea. This just throws off motive to find/kill the Mastermind; maybe have the traitors as backup mastermind(s)?

@Alice

Feature #8 ??? Rooms

I’m adding 16 locked rooms in the map. They are all called “Room #N” with the N being 1 through 16. What are they will be you to find out.

Alright

@Alice

Feature #9 Nerfing Lore

tl;dr - I’m giving less green checks based on lore in order to prevent the MM from being bOxEdIn

Thank god

@Alice

Feature #10 Ultimate Actions

Each player will have an Ultimate Action, which will be denoted by a ( U ) in their rolecard. These are very strong actions that can only be used once per game.

Very interesting. Again, another feature that just requires balancing.

@Alice

Feature #11 Doubled Blackened Cases

There are some characters with the potential to also have a second simultaneous player to become the Blackened with them. For the sake of clarity before the trial begins it will be announced that two Blackeneds need to be found. If the wrong pair is mis-executed, a random player in the two will die. If one of the pair did commit the murder, they will be the execution and the other one will walk free. The only time the mistrial counter doesn’t rise is if both Blackeneds are caught.

Alright, this is cool.

TLDR; never dying mastermind removes incentive to actually find the mastermind. Maybe instead make traitors backups? Wildcards seem slightly frustrating to go against as a normal participant. Everything else looks good!

[Italy]

hard to kill mastermind is dumb when a third of the characters can just one shot people with no RNG involved
possum mastermind is dumb because it removes their ability to be a suspicious player

[Moleland]

@KyoDaz

@Alice

Feature #7 Mastermind Revamp

The Mastermind still cannot kill, but if they are murdered or executed they do not lose and they can still keep on playing the game from beyond the shadows, imagine a [SPOILERED]
scenario. This is basically done to stop people from trying to end the game early on.

I don’t really think this is a good idea. This just throws off motive to find/kill the Mastermind; maybe have the traitors as backup mastermind(s)?

The game is literally ruined if the mastermind rando dies early

[KyoDaz]

I mean if original mastermind dies, the mastermind role is passed onto a traitor.

[Moleland]

Nah.

[Alice]

@Moleland

The game is literally ruined if the mastermind rando dies early

Basically, yeah.

Finding the MM should be done endgame, not Chapter III like what happened in the first game.

[KyoDaz]

@Moleland

Nah.

I mean, you’re going to need a counterpoint to that rather than just disagreeing

[Moleland]

I wouldn’t have minded being boxed in like I was chapter 6 as I should have won by then.

[Moleland]

I already did

[KyoDaz]

… Your ‘counterpoint’ is invalid

[DatBird]

I see this getting ugly fast, reminder to be civil :^)

[Moleland]

Ok
Say MM dies chapter 6 and a useless traitor becomes mm. How are people supposes to work out who they are?

[KyoDaz]

Through usage of social deduction

[Moleland]

@Alice that reminds me. What are traitors goals in chapter 6?

[Moleland]

Socially deduct what?

[KyoDaz]

Who the traitors are through their actions

[Italy]

alice
have you considered that if the mastermind “dies” early here there’s no way to find them except luck

[Moleland]

I assume we will be dropping lore evidence here and there like all chapter 6s

[Italy]

if the mastermind pulls a junko!ikusaba big brain be second to die and dies chapter one then there’s not really much you can do to find them when it comes to just them acting differently