What the heck is org again… and no, posting the longform doesn’t explain it 
I think the main thing I’m looking for in any hypothetical angleshooting rule is that someone with no previous FM experience could read it and get a basic sense of what they are and aren’t allowed to do.
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For my players I went with… tol rules + common sense, mostly. Not even including angleshooting here.
But I’m trying to write it down exactly.
ToL players won’t angleshoot, except of the harmless variants, where you exactly know… yeah it might be angleshooting (like in Teleo’s case), but it’s completely harmless. Most cases of angleshooting are pretty harmless - or outright cheating.
Also, maybe I have to mention that “mod weaponization” is explicitely allowed in my games.
PKR had a great idea where he thought Geyde might use ‘weaponizing the mod is extremely punishable’ as the meaning literally when he… confiscated my AR after unloading it on Magnus that he’d punish me severely for weaponizing him. Someone needs to include that in a bastard game.
I don’t see the problem with “mod weaponiation”.
Like, if you see someone breaking the rules and help themselves with it(especially someone of an opposite alignment), why not point it out?
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(btw yes, as long as you do it in your classcard, and not in the thread… I’d rather not have it in the thread, but it still would be not against any rule)
Terrible analogy:
Let’s say someone comes from a Montessori school, where they’re used to being able to (for instance) talk with other students during work time, to a regular school, but without any of the knowledge that such a person would normally glean from pop culture. When they ask what the rules at the new school are, they’re told ‘just don’t do anything that goes against the spirit of the learning environment.’
Now, there are some cases where it’s obvious what that means – like, the student should hopefully be able to discern that they aren’t allowed to throw paper airplanes at the teacher (n.b. this is not allowed in Montessori schools either), but it might not be obvious that this means you aren’t allowed to talk during class.
What Solic is saying feels to me like the equivalent of saying ‘well, we can’t have rules for everything, we’re not going to say “no throwing paper airplanes at the teacher, or talking during class, or playing Pokèmon, or reading during math class, or doing drugs,” so the rule is fine.’ Now, analogy!Solic is right that that level of specificity of rules is probably suboptimal and could cause its own problems, but that doesn’t mean there’s not a middle ground, like say phrasing the rule as ‘no distracting other students.’
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Tbh I don’t even recognize Angleshooting, except when it’s obvious.
I’m not coming from FM so this thingy is really alien to me.
And I can’t say with safety that I won’t angleshoot unintentionally.
Exxactllyyy me! I come from exclusively turbo games revolving around competitive mafia where OGI rule is present and am completely oblivious as to why ‘angleshooting’ has replaced it.
I don’t think it’s terrible, but I think of this site differently, which might explain my attitude (which shouldn’t be influential anyways as I’m no longer responsible for anything else than the games I might host). It’s like a community board game club that comes together occasionally to play some games and has been doing so for a while, so they have developed house rules. If a new person would move to the neighbourhood and decides to join up they would be unaware of such house rules. There is a difference between this person hanging up a mirror prior to meeting to be able to see cards in their reflection (to know that it’s not allowed) and this person counting cards during poker for instance. The former is an exploit and this should be punished harshly and not be advertised as existing. The latter is something that the new person needs to be made aware of as they gradually join in and make it their own, but they shouldn’t receive punishment for it unless they keep intentionally doing it after reasonable being aware that this is not acceptable within the community.
This perhaps mirrors the “honor system” vs “web of rules” that was mentioned earlier as your scenario mirrors a formal setting. This is a fora where you come to play games and have a good time, so the informal atmosphere is something I’d find more suitable than literally defining a constitution in anything less than an ironic setting. 
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Well that’s not very newbie-friendly. So… giving me more than 7 warns was kinda an initiation ritus? And people can break the rules so much they want, because the mods like them too much to do anything against it? Meh.
This argument is very Liam O’Brien vs Sam Riegel for President of DnD Beyond.
“We must enforce clear rules” vs “Don’t spoil people’s fun”
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It’s a record!? 
Since you’re so fervently calling me out for them, I will be fine discussing it.
- Not keeping your profile public, so that players can ISO.
- Asking you politely to make a new post when you change an action, so that we wouldn’t miss it.
- Deleting posts in the game.
- Weaponizing the host.
- Intentionally twilight posting.
I’d only count 5? On 1/2/3 I kept an exceedingly friendly tone, because it was obvious to me that this can be unknown at start. 4 I might have overreacted and I have already discussed my reasoning for that to you. 5 I stand by, because you were doing it quite intently. On every account, I explained why it was against the rules in my games and you received zero repercussions for any of them, but feel free to throw these apparently draconian unfair warnings around in several months again. And if it makes you feel better you can mentally swap warning with FYI.
No, I don’t see it as “an initiation”. It annoys me when “the spirit of the game” (I’d almost want to make this my new title) is not followed, intentionally or not. I want to play games. I want them to be fair and I want the design philosophy behind the game to be followed.
if you’re accusing me of bias, then you can be happy I’m no longer an arbiter of the rules and you can do everything perfectly. ^^ There is only a few moderation/host decisions I’d regret. Live and learn I suppose.
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Add a few buffers between warn and blacklist and we good
People can just have shit days sometimes and still be stuck in the game since they made a prior commitment
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Also I love new players. They are interesting, give fresh playstyles and have no meta yet. The more people the merrier is my philosophy. I’d feel bad if I made anyone feel unwelcome. Please inform me if I would appear unwelcome.
I’ll try not to take it personal like I take everything XD
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IDK why, but this reminds me of the time Hjasik Zalgo bombed a game thread and scum chat in a upick,
Ahh, memories
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