I don’t want to just argue with replay for the rest of the night and im already a bit irritated from work so it’s Probabaly best if I go to bed
I’m going bed now also anyway.
Goodnight, and don’t be a dick tomorrow or I’ll be a dick back. I don’t want that to influence my decision.
I TR’d him and like
Paparazzi kinda dipped after making a weird read list having me as top town without really giving reasoning which struck me as weird
They told me last night.
Time to solve the game.
Gonna quote a bunch of stuff. Brb.
Votecounts
Day 1
Day 2
enigma iso
Enigma/Replay unlikely w/w
Yeets my townread on Telephone. Meh
all good posts
returns to babylon
returns to replay
return to me
Enigma recognises this post is slightly useless, Enigma started writing it with the idea of a strong stance but realised Enigma wasnt sure either way.
meh
Enigma thinks Replay has not done enough after original suspicion and is more likely scum than Babylon who Enigma is currently voting.
/Vote Replay
Enigma just ISO’d Shallow (4 whole posts) and agrees, Enigma would be happy with a Shallow hang unless they improve substantially.
Their last post was their worst and most damning in Enigma’s opinion. A number of small things happen in it which combine to really irk Enigma.
No one suspects Enigma? Why? Enigma is not person? Enigma idea. Can you hang idea? No. Enigma immortal. Suspecting Enigma pointless. Enigma always here.
?
You and LoveGame are Enigmas top townreads.
why was telephone top town?
guess it doesnt matter hes gone now
never mentions telephone
weird
Venus has been rising given they are actually trying. Problems arise if players like Shallow and Replay are town and just doing very little - it allows otherwise scummy players to skate by just because they appear to try a bit .
Enigma is saddened.
I’m quoting this but it’s more for the sake of quoting than actually pure thinking? It sparks something in me but I dunno if it’s town or scum, my feelings are strong I imagine
It’s weird but I do believe it comes from town, They want attention, I don’t think their slot in context once again, want attention especially since I do not believe they have much of an impact in this game?
For the people wondering, my stance as of right now is, I’m open to evolving my reads but I feel fairly confidant in the fact one of Venus or Replay could flip scum, Shallow and Applause are my nullreads and Paparazzi and Telephone look townie enough for me
I feel like Applause is town
Calling things cute in Mafia sure is weird, almost sounds like LAMIST, not that I care about that part
ell the one slot that really strikes me as weird is Replay
I still have my doubts on you Venus, seeing how some of your posts do not seem to come from a normal townsperson point of view, some of the arguments you make are technically correct but they do not feel as if they’d come from Town but rather from scum looking for the correct words used to carry town into MLing
But then that seems really
obvious?
Oh I seem to notice Replay v Venus was a thing,
anyway ttyl later gamers going to do boring irl stuff
Replay’s attitude regarding my slot until now had been weird
Meh this feels townie enough for now
why?
From my POV only possible scum distancing is Venus
Venus Paparazzi?
?
To me it’s defensive he says it himself
His jokeposting wasn’t meant to get attention and he actively worries about the effect of his jokeposting
Self aware~ish slot
Lack of confidence and reads make me think it’s more of a townie than anything else
If he’s scum he really TMId Replay slot I feel, the reasoning doesn’t feel strong enough to come from scum reading another scum?
Applause he has a lot more to say, usually it’s easier for scum to justify town reads because they know they’re talking about town, one thing that makes me think Shallow’s town is
it sounds like he’s way more in the moment than most people? also the read itself sounds town the way he focuses on the relation between him posting reads late and being srd is a town line of thinking I believe
Tone seems ok
Doesn’t scream town but I’m fine with it
Content is eh, you can fake all that
The fact he bolded a part of his message makes me want to say the anger is slightly less genuine to my eyes because I know that when I get pressured and am angry, I tend to make my post very simple and short?
Him saying this is probably town aswell, Applause alignment doesn’t matter its the fact he’s willing to call someone locktown from dayplay
Conclusion: probably town wouldnt yeet
???
weird
weird iso
weird conclusion
weird
I don’t really like this
It’s more of a “it’s bad play” than a “its scum play”
Obviously there’s a reason it’s a pressure vote
This is kinda weird
You do all this to conclude on a null read, I don’t really like your reaction to pressure
I don’t know the take is obviously
My slot + Paparazzi
but my slot looks way worse here
why vote Paparazzi
I mean your push either ends here or you stay on my slot
It’s not like it was final 20 minutes of the day you had less of a reason to worry
Line of thought is like eh, like obvious the question is bad but the answer doesn’t look any better to me
Question makes me go ehh
Like you ask the dude who made the post why they put themselves so high
I dunno I believe it is more likely for wolf to not know who they are asking the question to
tinfoil of course
This is giga NAI and NAI posts such as this make me go
ehh why
idk is Venus + self pres that less awful compared to
LoveGame + PaparazziI know LoveGame hadn’t flipped yet but eh
Yeah this is probably town
The fact this is the only thing you say after I appear in thread
meh probably town but like
low town, he doesnt push agenda much
still weird iso
less weird conclusion I guess?
meh
meh
Paparazzi
Replay
Venusle epic game winning poe?
discuss
no bonus points if you call me scum
you never ISO me thought
i still dont really get why you think I’m scum from reading your iso
dont get paparazzi
oh ye lmao
/vote Paparazzi
why vote paparazzi??
Voted Voter Count Applause Paparazzi 1/4 Shallow Telephone, Venus 2/4 Venus Replay 1/4 Enigma Applause 1/4
vc at the time
/vote Paparazzi
I hate Paparazzi’s EOD, I hate their “I need my townleans to make sense of things” post, and I know they were solving d1, but that can be faked as a wolf
[vote] Paparazzi [/vote]
oh ye lmao
/vote Paparazzi
Paparazzi:/Vote Enigma
Gotta sheep my soul read
Even if I think enigma is townI’m quoting this but it’s more for the sake of quoting than actually pure thinking? It sparks something in me but I dunno if it’s town or scum, my feelings are strong I imagine
Paparazzi:I explained my soul-read perfectly adequately
Seems like a scum motivated push
Paparazzi:I’m trying to pocket a player with horrible reasoning based on how we are chronological lady gaga songs?
You think this is serious?
I think the anger is at least a little bit genuine seeing how Venus interacts with the slot
Paparazzi:If I read the set up correctly, it us 7 vs 2? Not the hellscape of 6 vs 3 I was thinking it was for some reason?
Is this too out there?
The myth of the TWTBAW has finally come true
Just kidding, I think town anyway based on my previous reads?
Paparazzi
Replay
Venusle epic game winning poe?
discuss
no bonus points if you call me scum
doesnt make sense
doesnt make sense
Possible svs with replay
very weird
could be scum with anyone alive
Possible svs with replay
very weird
Earlier interactions make me think no but that EOD was strange.
Telephone:/Vote Venus
Telephone:Stop arguing with each other and ask me about my vote or smn
The stand of Telephone regarding the Venus vote is… how do I put it
It’s weird but I do believe it comes from town, They want attention, I don’t think their slot in context once again, want attention especially since I do not believe they have much of an impact in this game?
Telephone:I don’t like this reaction
I’m mindmelding with Telephone on this one post
Telephone:Their is no night zero
Well that’s a thing on several level
Don’t know what to think though?
Telephone:Why are we talking about setup
It makes no fucking diff and is just going to accidentally spew people as PR or not PR
Stfu about the setup
Town
What you think of my poe telephone guy
I haven’t really looked at associations so far
apart from the vote, is there much else?
why not cfd on me?
telephone s/s enigma?
no
maybe
weird
why paparazzi??
replay iso
The thread does not seem to be alive. I would take this as a time to solve but no one has been talking much. I suppose it was a bad daystart for everyone.
What are you on about?
My post specifically stated that I wanted to solve since I would’ve had a lot of time to but because of the lack of posts I haven’t been able to. Backtrack a bit and then rethink your actions and try take a better approach next time.
You can say what you want. I have no reason to disagree with a read that I can’t exactly see. Either way, I don’t think voting is fairly a good idea at the start of the day.
You’re awake already.
Explain your vote.
who did telephone vote
enigma?
Pure Policy is not enough to convince me.
yes
Then change it.
Policy is not a good enough reason to justify a vote.
do not understand replay’s mindset here
Assuming scum distancing but then proceeding to vote a player not related to the scum distancing.
Please, make sense with your posts.
Venus:can you come talk, maybe give us a read list or at least make some reads?
I’ve not been involved in conversations so I’ve not been talking much, but here you go.
Town
Replay
Enigma
Venus
Telephone
Babylon
Applause
Shallow
LoveGame
PaparazziScum
have already went over why this readslist is weird
Keep in mine this readslist just says the most scummiest and most towniest players in my opinion. It doesn’t mean I full on scumread or townread them.
Because I don’t exactly scumread anyone right now nor do I really townread people. As it currently stands, I don’t hold many reads. This is changed upon me reading some back in the thread and I won’t post my updated readslist until I decide what I want to post for it.
Would you like my reasonings from the time or my reasons for my new readslist (When I post it after evaluating it). Clearly not many people agree with my reads and I don’t exactly want to be pushed for being a terrible reader in an anonymous game.
more concerned about being pushed for reads than making
I’m not exactly included in many conversations, nor do I want to randomly insert myself into discussions.
This is a horrible votecount, especially considering I’m the only non-voter.
I am Replay.
Enigma for his base interaction towards me encouraged to me that he was more than likely Town.
Something strikes me odd about LoveGame and Paparazzi, specifically LoveGame, that I just can’t explain. It’s more of a gutread, to be exact.
As you can tell, I’m not very sure with you and I’m unsure whether or not I would want you lynched. Right now I would prefer an inactive to be lynched. Even if I’m inactive myself and it’s quite ironic.
I like this post quite a lot. This read feels like it comes from a Town initiative. While it doesn’t make me bring trust towards you. It does help me get behind your read a lot more.
More posts like this will probably get me to trust you. But that shouldn’t be your main goal for me to trust you as from what I can see, I’m in a close lynchpool.
Hm. I wouldn’t consider you 3 a Towncore, but I’d at least consider Enigma and Venus townreads.
I’m the type of guy who only keeps a towncore out of mechanical things. But creating a towncore this early might convince scum to attack these players. So I don’t recommend it. Especially if all of these players are Town. I’ll update this tomorrow whether these players die or not or if I die.
Right now I’m willing to lynch inactives but that’s about it. I haven’t been given enough content to go on since lots of players, including you, are giving me posts that strike me odd while also giving me posts that seem good. So I can’t pinpoint where to place players.
I believe this is the post you’re on about with your message LoveGame. It’s pretty funny because I disliked this post badly since it came out of the blue and just seems like a horrible attempt of a townslip.
The issue is, PR Roles try act as Townie as possible while also not trying to get on scums radar. Throwing people into Towncores is not something we want to do since we don’t exactly want our active players to die early on. But nor do we want the thread to be controlled by wolves.
And I’m glad to see this.
I’m glad to see I moved up.
I do think I should state that I’m not a big fan of finally deciding of who I’m not a big fan off only for them to convince me otherwise in less than 3 posts.
Thanks Paparazzi and LoveGame.
Yeah, this thread doesn’t feel motivated by wolves or a wolf agenda right now, nor has it really for the entire day.
Wolves are either bigbraining this game, or just aren’t playing. I’m also not a big fan off how people have less posts than both hosts. That doesn’t make me feel very good about them, especially since their posts have either been pushing on players and not responding only to disappear (Babylon) or just complete nonsense mixed with fluffposts (Shallow)
This seems like the most unbalanced rolelist in existence for Mafia. 2 instantly confirmed Town that they’re going to have to kill off one by one if they don’t out.
Oh yeah, they can get double Mafia Goon.
Is that even winnable?
Anyway, I’m surprised Love died. I never expected them to die unless they were correct on things. I felt it was clear they weren’t a Town PR (They were, which is annoying) so I’m just wondering why they were killed.
/vote Venus
I’m actually going to place my vote here for their lies in their push with me. It’s valid to want to push on me, but when your reasoning is just lies it’s not a push but instead an attempt at a mislynch from my eyes.
I know. My reads aren’t ever good, that’s why I prefer not giving them.
Venus is scum. They’re pulling points out of thin air without bothering to read at all. They claimed to have read my ISO but then they make points that directly contradict my entire ISO. Simple.
Reasonings. Now. Stop just pushing on me without posting reasons, it’s just getting annoying.
That’s not your reasonings though.
Also I’m pretty sure Venus is not everyone else.
My goal as Town is to not cause Town to lose.
Allowing myself to be scumread contributes to leading Town into a spiral of losing. Especially if I am miylynched.
The funny thing is, you quoted a post that talked about Babylon when I was annoyed at him for not making sense with his posts. That doesn’t mean I suspected him. And just because I didn’t continue commenting on Telephone, doesn’t mean my read didn’t change on him at all?
Enigma - He was above Paparazzi but below LoveGame by the end of the day, and despite me not being influenced by Paparazzi during today to Townread him more, this is based on the fact that…he hasn’t done anything as people pointed out. D1 he was giving us Town motives, Town initiative and attempting to be a Townleader.
Venus - Their push on me tells me that they were a wolf trying to cause a mislynch that had to back down after a while. Their points and their lack of wanting to read context of posts that they said could damn me shows that they don’t want to read the whole situation/just decided to ignore it. Not my top scumread, but my current vote.
Telephone - Their buddy-buddy attitude with Venus that seems to be one-sided tells me that Telephone is a wolf trying to pocket Venus. In actuality I would put all bets on that if this flips scum, Venus is Town. They seem like they’re trying to convince Venus and also doesn’t want to push on points themselves. They claimed that everyone has made claims on why I’m scum while only Venus has done that, which didn’t strike me the right way especially considering they’re voting me.
Shallow - Where are they? They haven’t done much and yesterday they were being pushed on by players that are now dead. They managed to save their own skin while also causing a mislynch on someone else. This is mostly my fault for forgetting to vote yesterday but you get where I’m coming from.
Paparazzi - My final interaction with them at the end of D1 made me believe they were Town since based on my interactions with them, they didn’t seem to be pushing a wolf agenda or planting seeds for a wolf motive into the thread. I could be a pocketed Town right now, but they managed to convince me in below 3 posts.
Applause - This is more or less the fact that I can’t tell them doing anything, not to mention no one is placing attention on them. They seem to be cruising this game but not in a style of players indicative of this forum but more trying to stay out of the spotlight. This would be lower, but I feel there are more players that are scummy. Not to mention when commenting on my readslist they mentioned why I put myself and Enigma so high, which tells me I don’t think they’re paying much attention.
Telephone I saw as slightly trustworthy at the time. Babylon was just placed towards the middle because they were Null, same goes for Applause and Shallow who were mostly just placed there because I hadn’t seen much from them nor trusted them much at the time.
My final interaction of D1 included them. You should go read that and see my reasoning. I posted about how I felt convinced that they aren’t scum and how wolves don’t seem to be pushing much onto the thread specifically while those two were in the thread with me.
@Venus Comment on my response to you. Don’t ignore it, thanks.
You aren’t needed and you can wake up before EOD.
Uhh…So they 100% rolecopped Applause N1 I’m guessing.
yolovote
It actually seems to work a lot. But alright.
Shallow/Telephone is probably the team.
Enigma:Why would Replay vote Venus
Spite.
They annoyed me yesterday when they were trying to cause a lynch on me, I thought I unvoted, guess not.
It’s hard to not vote you the more you become a dick.
I’m willing to throw the game and vote you and if the game ends idc, I just want to spite you right now so badly.
telephone iso
/Vote Enigma
Back to bed will explain later
My vote is pure policy
Can you not read?
Their speaking in the third person makes me want to commit not alive
Well shit I’m pocketed so
Fuck
Iv been called out
Lemme go actually read
/Vote Venus
Stop arguing with each other and ask me about my vote or smn
I don’t like this reaction
His town read on me early also felt kinda like he was TMIing my slot as town
Your reason was not great imo
You’re my top scum
The fuck is the reads list
This looks like you just randomly threw names of people into a list and called it a reads list
I have a bit of free time if anyone has any questions for me
Yeah I would love more thought and reasons from @Replay eventually
Love is probably my top town; you’re one of my tops even though your posting pains me
We need to figure these votes out guys
Why are we talking about setup
It makes no fucking diff and is just going to accidentally spew people as PR or not PR
Stfu about the setup
I mean I was referencing the fact that EOD is at a garbage time
/Vote replay
Voting here for now unless they can convince me their reads aren’t pulled out their ass
I mentioned it yesterday his reads list was so wtf
Thought I’m tinfoiling
Shallow and (I think it was paparazzi?) the one who switched the Execute away from rand but said they didn’t have any specific care either way
As W/W
Yes but IIRC you said you didn’t care which way it went but yet didn’t want rand
I also really don’t like replay but for now
/Vote Shallow
It’s time for big plays
Atm im thinking something along the lines of
Shallow/paparazzi
Or like
Replay/(Engina/Venus)
Replay:My goal as Town is to not cause Town to lose.
Allowing myself to be scumread contributes to leading Town into a spiral of losing. Especially if I am miylynched.
Well you’re failing miserably, so like
Yeah
If you don’t have time then don’t mindlessly sheep reads? Wait till you have the time?
It feels so easy but like sometimes it just is
Part of me just says fuck it and rand between replay and like shallow or paparazzi
Like they just kinda randomly claimed VT and brought it up multiple times for seemingly no reason
They were really adamant about how they were VT Which looking back kinda screams I’m PR lol
You’re scum tho
I’m still thinking thag paparazzi/shallow could easily be W/W
My PoE right now is
Venus/Replay/Enigma
Enigma is the most town out of the three and NGL is mostly deep wolf paranoia so I’m more so looking at Venus/replay for today.
I’m pretty confident that shallow is town
The only W world I saw with them was with paparazzi and well
That’s obviously not a thing
Also his think with Applause yesterday was like super towny
I’m pretty sure you just the village idiot lmao
He
Was
Fucking
Spewed
PRI’m done talking to you
When someone with brain cells is around @me please
I was at work cutie reading up now
Okay so
From what I read it was like 90% enigma yelling at the brick wall of replay
Nice
im glad i drank coffee
shallow/enigma maybe?
shallow iso
paparazzi bad shallow good MUST… VOTE… PAPARAZZI… /VOTE Paparrazi
T’was a joke vote, so /unvote . Shallow love SoD joke vote. A bit surprised to see that my joke vote caught steam, but I will read that over in a bit
I don’t know. The way people post here confuses me and it makes it harder to read people, but maybe I am just shallow. It does seem Paparazzi is trying and that’s something
I don’t have a readlist because I have been somewhat busy
I sure can in a bit
I think Replay is probably town. Replay has been trying to solve, asking decent questions, and pushing their scum reads and encouraging people to post
I think they get a bit too defensive over being pushed right away, but they seem to be using logic here and I like that.They didn’t just jump at me because I got busy and didn’t do the reads earlier. I wouldn’t get rid of them today.
There isn’t much to say about Babylon. It’s ISO is mostly fluff and I don’t see many AI posts, which is kind of odd to me
I think it’s also reasonable to point out that if I am a wolf (I’m not) then I am getting bussed because there would be a bit more resistance to me dying if I wasn’t
/vote Babylon this is a serious vote
If I do get executed here then everyone needs to re-evaluate the game because I am a very easy execution for scum to push when it would be much easier to get rid of Babylon if they were town because they have just kind of disappeared for good
@Venus @Paparazzi @LoveGame @Enigma @Telephone @Applause get back here and re-evaluate things NOW
I am tired and said what I really want to. I can try to communicate, but I am pretty tired
I am not voting Babylon just to self-prez, but because there is a decent chance they are scum, as if they weren’t someone would have been pushing them harder earlier
I kind of hate this post
It screams “I wish my wolf buddies were online”
I didn’t scum lean you, but I am thinking about it.
Applause also voted Babylon
I think I kind of want to reread some slots a bit later, but I kind of don’t like Paparazzi’s EoD yesterday. The line about their “town leans” not being online was fishy to me and I kind of don’t like it. Applause is likely town though, but expect me to be back with more reads a bit later. I also want to re-evaluate some of my other reads as well
I know that I haven’t been active, but I find it harder to manage multiple accounts
but I will say that Applause is locktown for me
It’s mech stuff, but from my information Applause is town
I can, but it would mean me outing my role and such
This post really stuck out at me and it still does
I won’t hardclaim anything, but we don’t touch Applause. They are lock town and that’s case closed
Fine, I claim cop and have a check on them. I do find it odd how your first reaction to this was that I hardclaimed Friendly Neighbor’d. Does trying to fish out claims like that come from town?
What are you getting at?
Ok, it was a FPS, but honestly I was trying to correct a screw up. I still don’t like how you said “you must be Friendly Neighbor’d” even if it was obvious
I should have thought about my posting, but I was trying to make a world where Applause doesn’t die tonight
I really didn’t like Paparazzi’s EoD yesterday
I won’t say anymore on the matter because I have already said too much
Who needs their townleans to help them make sense of a game?
/vote Paparazzi
I hate Paparazzi’s EOD, I hate their “I need my townleans to make sense of things” post, and I know they were solving d1, but that can be faked as a wolf
I know I have been inactive, but I want you to look over Paparazzi’s ISO
I don’t know how to convince you otherwise, but I am not a wolf. Could you re-evaluate Paparazzi for me? I am 99.9% sure paparazzi is a wolf
@Enigma it’s ** /vote Paparazzi **
I swear if the team is Paparazzi/Enigma
@Venus why are you still voting me?
Enigma knows how to vote, but doesn’t input the vote correctly and won’t correct it, which makes me think they are W/W and Enigma wants to claim dumb
@Kyodaz does this still count as a vote?
Reads can change, but there is a possibility that it’s TMI and a pocket attempt. Don’t use that now, as my reads have been bad this game.
I regret that, but we have more pressing issues here. We need to vote correctly today or we lose
I am as shallow as a river
Why not love Shallow?
I am a river
Shallow only copy the great DybuDabu
The fact that I don’t know who Shallow is makes this so much harder, I can’t actually evaluate if they’d do this shit as scum. Ree.
Morning.
I’m still going to debate voting Shallow.