[Anonymous Competitive] - NewD3 - Mafia Wins!

[Enigma]

yes

[Telephone]

Where are you at

It seems you’ve been nominated to vote first

[Enigma]

Uh sure

I kinda want Venus to give conclusion to the isos tbh

[Enigma]

Why do you want me to vote first anyway

[Enigma]

Ok brb 9pm, I’ll try and see what I can do / think about

[Replay]

@Venus

i am thinking shallow enigma

Literally what I’ve been thinking this entire day.

[Enigma]

Yikes

[Telephone]

I’m bored I want something to happen

[Telephone]

Shallow needs to speak

[Enigma]

@Venus

I don’t really have any strong scumreads I was consider not consensus. I want to dig into the people I haven’t really looked at, namely Replay.

mentions they want to look at Replay

@Venus

Paparazzi
Shallow
Replay
Babylon

Is at the bottom of reads

@Venus

Replay’s ISO is eh. There’s some weird bits they’ve said and I’d be fine if they died.

This

@Venus

can you come talk, maybe give us a read list or at least make some reads?

Ok so they ask bottom 3 SRs to talk

@Venus

I’m going to sleep, I guess. Hopefully Shallow or Babylon get on in the next couple hours.

They don’t mention Replay?

@Venus

I think I’m leaning Babylon over Shallow right now.

I kinda wanna see what Replay did in between that to escape lynch pool knowing they were

I think deeper than Shallow

@Venus

/vote Shallow

Pressure.

They don’t even react I believe?

@Venus

Hi Shallow.

@Shallow

Hello, I will be sleeping soon, but I can be on for 5-10 minutes

No more conversation tho

@Venus

ISOing Replay see a lot of red flags.

Their opener is off, and the two people they expressed suspicion against earlier in their ISO are on null/townlean level on their readslist. Their comment afterwards seems to discredit their own reads.

@Venus

This is questionable.

Promised an updated readslist but never really delivered.

They say they don’t feel like the thread is motivated by wolves, but their bottom two scumreads were top posters. I’m not really sure where their heads at.

Replay is meh. Their reads feel really inconsistent.

I don’t think they ever really hard push the slot though

@Venus

/vote Replay for now.

This exists

@Venus

Venus
Enigma
Applause

Telephone
Paparazzi
Shallow

Replay

This exists

@Venus

And you didn’t even address all my points.

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@Venus

You haven’t invalidated any of the points I made against you, some of them you just ignored, or tried to explain your thought process.

also

@Venus

@Replay

I shouldn’t have to give reads if everyone scumreads me for my opinions in the game when I’m not asked for them. Simple.

You should always be making and giving reads, it’s literally your job and how to play to your wincon if you are town.

@Replay

I know. My reads aren’t ever good, that’s why I prefer not giving them.

Just because they’re not good doesn’t mean you don’t give them. What’s the point of playing if you’re not going to make reads…

@Replay

How…? That post is literally me stating: “You guys were my top scumreads but you managed to convince me why you are Town”

I don’t know how it just is… Thank you for the translation.

@Replay

…Yes it does? Can you read the context of the post instead of just reading the post blatantly. I’m not giving you all the work, if you ISO’d me, you’d see that. You’re a lying fraud.

I read your ISO not the context?! How about you quote the context. I’m not the one trying to prove you’re town here.

@Replay

Yes I did! Literally look at the context!

Where, please quote it or reexplain. I’m just asking you for what reason you flipped your reads on your top scumreads. You’re telling me to look at your posts, and I’m not seeing it.

@Replay

Show me the points that I ignored then, and I don’t have to explain my thought process when there’s nothing to explain it for? What are you even on about?

@Venus

Their opener is off

@Venus

the two people they expressed suspicion against earlier in their ISO are on null/townlean level on their readslist

@Venus

Their comment afterwards seems to discredit their own reads.

@Venus

@Replay

You don’t give pointless reads though. I see no reason to post my reads so I’m just… not going to post them?

Reads aren’t pointless. Like, what? Why would there be no reason to post your reads?

@Replay

You say while being one of the people to shout at me for posting a horrible readslist. Ironic.

I’m shouting at you because they’re weirdly ordered and have no explanation, and you haven’t really given any reads since then.

@Replay

You should look at the context if you want to make a proper case on me. If not, give up. SoRrY yoU sHOuLD bE rEadiNG EvERyThInG tO MAkE gOOd ReADs

You’re yelling at me for not reading your ISO and now you’re mad at me for not reading the context, like? You’re accusing me of being scum for pushing on you but you can’t even bother to pull quotes to prove me wrong.

@Replay

I’m not quoting it. Look for yourself, if not take all the rap when I flip Town. Simple.

Above. This is terrible logic.

@Replay

Which parts of my opener?

Just, all of it.

@Replay

I don’t understand this one.

You sussed I believe Telephone and Babylon, but they’re way higher up on your readslist when you post it later.

@Replay

My readslist specifically stated in the direct post after this: “This is not me posting a lynchpool, this is me stating the players I find scummy and townie.”

@Replay

Keep in mine this readslist just says the most scummiest and most towniest players in my opinion. It doesn’t mean I full on scumread or townread them.

@Venus

@Replay

Because I get scumreaded for them? And as a Town, I would prefer not to be scumread and accidentally mislynched because I decided to post what I believe is going on?

If you’re town your goal isn’t to get townread. That’s mafia’s goal. Your goal as town is to find and lynch scum.

@Replay

Then why should I give a new one if you just hate them so much?

I want you to make some and explain your placements. You not making any reads other than scumreading me for asking you to give reads is -EV.

@Replay

You’ve not pulled out quotes to prove yourself right after I proved you wrong and told you to look for the evidence where you are wrong when you are the one pushing on me. Granted, I currently think Telephone is more scummy than you due to their push on me, right now you are directly pushing on me so I’m going to keep my vote on you.

You haven’t proved me wrong if you literally cannot be bothered to explain your thought process on your flip in opinion on Enigma/LoveGame, or at least quote the post where I missed something. That is on you.

@Replay

Then why didn’t you comment on my opener D1, the only thing you commented on is a reply I didn’t notice until now.

Because I wasn’t focused on you D1…

@Replay

No? I expressed that I saw Telephone as Towny and that Babylon was more of a Null towards Scum due to their inactivity (This was after my readslist).

@Replay

Assuming scum distancing but then proceeding to vote a player not related to the scum distancing.

Please, make sense with your posts.

@Replay

Then change it.

Policy is not a good enough reason to justify a vote.

@Replay

Pure Policy is not enough to convince me.

@Replay

You’re awake already.

Explain your vote.

And no reason to think why Telephone as town.

Like I’m not asking for much here, I just want you to explain what you were thinking if you were town.

@Venus

a. What are you current reads with explanations, please.
b. In your first reads list, why did you place Telephone and Babylon as you did?
c. What specifically made you change your read on Paprazzi and LoveGame

but

@Venus

I think I’m just arguing with stubborn town tbh.

eh?

@Venus

I do not know if I’ll be able to be here EOD, so here is my final thoughts.

Venus
Telephone

Applause
Enigma
Replay

Shallow
Paprazzi

I would really like to flip one of Shallow or Paprazzi today, as Paparazzi’s vote switch at end of day was odd, as they mentioned they didn’t have a preference on either wagon and I think it’s weird they’re not really explaining their read on Applause. They are very likely s/s in my opinion.

If we lynch one of Paparazzi or Shallow and they flip red, lynch the other tomorrow.

If we lynch one of them and they flip green I would say take a closer look at Applause/Replay.

I will try and get on closer to EOD.

/vote Shallow

Idk about removing the option to go for Replay again

[Enigma]

Replay has been twice in your bottom 3 lynch pool

And got removed from there both times

[Enigma]

I’d greatly like conclusions on both ISOs @Venus

[Enigma]

@Replay

Town

Replay
Enigma
Venus
Telephone
Babylon
Applause
Shallow
LoveGame
Paparazzi

Scum

venus really high

@Replay

/vote Venus

I’m actually going to place my vote here for their lies in their push with me. It’s valid to want to push on me, but when your reasoning is just lies it’s not a push but instead an attempt at a mislynch from my eyes.

@Replay

@Venus

I shouldn’t have to ask you to… You were planning on doing one, to provide explanations for your earlier ones, yes. I shouldn’t have to ask you to do it if you were already… going to do it.

I shouldn’t have to give reads if everyone scumreads me for my opinions in the game when I’m not asked for them. Simple.

@Venus

I should have to ask you to make reads if you’re town, period.

I know. My reads aren’t ever good, that’s why I prefer not giving them.

@Venus

“Doesn’t make me bring trust towards you.”

This was the start.

@Venus

Second post is really confusing and hard to read.

How…? That post is literally me stating: “You guys were my top scumreads but you managed to convince me why you are Town”

@Venus

Third post doesn’t mention either of them

…Yes it does? Can you read the context of the post instead of just reading the post blatantly. I’m not giving you all the work, if you ISO’d me, you’d see that. You’re a lying fraud.

@Venus

You never have an actual explanation for flipping your read on your top scumreads.

Yes I did! Literally look at the context!

@Venus

You haven’t invalidated any of the points I made against you, some of them you just ignored, or tried to explain your thought process.

Show me the points that I ignored then, and I don’t have to explain my thought process when there’s nothing to explain it for? What are you even on about?

@Replay

Venus is scum. They’re pulling points out of thin air without bothering to read at all. They claimed to have read my ISO but then they make points that directly contradict my entire ISO. Simple.

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@Venus

You should always be making and giving reads, it’s literally your job and how to play to your wincon if you are town.

You don’t give pointless reads though. I see no reason to post my reads so I’m just… not going to post them?

@Venus

Just because they’re not good doesn’t mean you don’t give them. What’s the point of playing if you’re not going to make reads…

You say while being one of the people to shout at me for posting a horrible readslist. Ironic.

@Venus

I read your ISO not the context?! How about you quote the context. I’m not the one trying to prove you’re town here.

You should look at the context if you want to make a proper case on me. If not, give up. SoRrY yoU sHOuLD bE rEadiNG EvERyThInG tO MAkE gOOd ReADs

@Venus

Where, please quote it or reexplain. I’m just asking you for what reason you flipped your reads on your top scumreads. You’re telling me to look at your posts, and I’m not seeing it.

I’m not quoting it. Look for yourself, if not take all the rap when I flip Town. Simple.

[quote=“Venus, post:406, topic:82691”]

@Venus

Their opener is off
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Which parts of my opener?

[quote=“Venus, post:406, topic:82691”]

@Venus

the two people they expressed suspicion against earlier in their ISO are on null/townlean level on their readslist
[/quote]

I don’t understand this one.

@Venus

@Venus

Their comment afterwards seems to discredit their own reads.
[/quote]

My readslist specifically stated in the direct post after this: “This is not me posting a lynchpool, this is me stating the players I find scummy and townie.”

This is like

very early tbh

[Enigma]

oh quote messed up

[Enigma]

Might aswell look at Telephone while I’m there

[Enigma]

Venus voted Shallow

Can’t be that right

[Enigma]

Enigma-Replay - I town
Engima-Shallow - I town
Enigma-Telephone - I town + thunderdome?
Enigma-Venus - I town + thunderdome?
Replay-Shallow - Thunderdomed, could be one trying to bury the other
Replay-Telephone - Possible?
Replay-Venus - Could be possible? Interactions make it seem like scum theatrics?
Telephone-Shallow - Possible?
Telephone-Venus - Thunderdome makes it impossible
Shallow-Venus - Venus voted Shallow?

[Enigma]

Replay-Shallow
Replay-Telephone
Telephone-Shallow

One of these I think

[Enigma]

Am I okay with clearing Venus

ehhh

[Enigma]

I need another voice