Attempting to fix all the boring classes

[RopeStringFace]

@Erik

Noble’s ability is for voting to execute/pardon, king’s ability gives him more weight in the initial treason accusation. It’s apples and oranges.

I was referring to decide fate. And, in any case, you can compare fruit.

@Erik

Noble’s payoff for a good scrumread is hilariously low impact when compared to the Knight/Prince (immdiate and total payoff), and even the Hunter (delayed payoff)/Butler (action-inefficient payoff).

I disagree. You know how hard it is to start a band wagon when you can’t vote?

[RopeStringFace]

@Erik

The class most in need of help, by far, is the Noble. His abilities are mostly meaningless for a large part of the game. I like Maid Spy a lot, as it’s a very unique ability and only provides social feedback, not objective system feedback like other investigative abilities.

Maid spy made the game terrible. Basically, as soon as day hit, each evil was on his own, and there was absolutely no way evil king could signal to his cult/unseen.

[newarkinvaders]

As an evil king you could signal to evil friends by typing the following message.

hi I checked you last night . glad to see you are blue dragon .just like me .

If you received this message as a mastermind and couldn’t see the subtext shame on you

[Sharvax]

If you are getting reported for suspecting scum, and posting your suspicions, JUST because you are a non-investigative class, the mods need to ban those reporting you for false reporting. Scum reading is a legit and very useful skill. The problem recently is the influx of new players who dont have that skill, dont understand it.

[NuclearBurrito]

While I agree that everyone should be able to get information with their ability’s I don’t agree that you need an invest ability to do that.

Hunter - Bleeding people are likely to claim and you know if you are attacked when using a bear
Butler - You can find occ immunes
Phy/Alch - You know if you target is attacked and if they have statuses
Scorned - You know that your 2 targets are BD and not the prince
Possessor - You know the class of the person you possessed
Reaper - You know that someone is dead before anyone else
Knight - You know that someone is night immune
Drunk - You know what might have happened to your target

Court Wizard and Noble are currently the only classes with no ability to gain information beyond that they used their ability’s.

[Erik]

@NuclearBurrito

While I agree that everyone should be able to get information with their ability’s I don’t agree that you need an invest ability to do that.

You may be reading into my goals here deeper than intended. I’m not saying everyone should be able to get information with their abilities, just that playing each class should be:

1. Rewarding (example: you don’t die when you successfully use your ability like Knight, and your abilities are meaningful for most of the game unlike Noble)
2. At least a little difficult (example: Physician usually just heals people who say they need it, and the hardest part about using revive is just making sure your target didn’t leave yet)
3. Fun (example: Hunter spends most nights not doing anything, and his wolf attacks can easily be cured by a physician who doesn’t share your suspicion. Boooring!)

[NuclearBurrito]

The thing is that the non invest abilitys that can be used for investigateing anyways are sometimes the most useful.