Autumn Invitational - Day 4 (5/13) - Town Wins!

Tracker/X/1xV
Rolecop/BG/1xV
MD/Doc/1xV
Voyeur/RB/1xV
IC/JK/1xV

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I should probably go to bed

oh and JK/BG/1xV

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I was listing setups with no RBer/JK

Because that’s what you said

Lmao

you think i can read?

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Like I may be too tired to do simple arithmetic but at least I can remember what I said

anyway its overwhelmingly likely we have 3 PRs in 8 people and like

yeah another miss is gamer but it’s probably safer to just

gamer, you know?

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i just described two opposite outcomes with the same word

lmao

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Well I’ve already asked @sulit if they’re the vig so we can start there

Just gonna keep pinging her

@sulit

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@sulit butter

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@Arete

Here.

I actually still wasn’t sure at sod you didn’t just claim vt to make it another night for lock

Reading into PRs is probably not beneficial, unless one is outed.

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sulit Iso

sulit starts her Iso by making several all-caps posts (there are a couple non all caps posts I cut out between these but they don’t really affect my read here). I think this indicates sulit being excited, which I think is town-AI for her, from what I can tell she doesn’t like wolfing very much and it’s a subtle enough point that I don’t think she would specifically think to fake it

also this is a minor point but I think sulit would be even less likely to be excited about being a wolf with Dat or Mist, she’s not very good friends with either of them as far as I know and it’s not like either of them is an amazing wolf

first mention of a flipped wolf in her Iso, seems basically NAI

kiiiinda think sulit would make up a fake reason here as scum

and she votes him, which makes her earlier read ?slightly? less likely to be distancing, although super not outside distancing range

kind of feel like ‘sad and empty’ is a weird way to describe a partner

meh, could go either way on this

this feels more like the sort of thing town sulit would think of than the sort of thing scum sulit would think of? not the trying-to-pocket thing itself since she’s done things like that before as scum but the comment about how she had a read but took it back

ehhh

this could be W/W

partway through sulit’s Iso and I’m noticing a lot of short one-liners with ~no explanation

posts like

which is sorta meh, like I’m a fan of the general ~activity and investment but I feel like this is the sort of thing that would be easier for wolflit to fake, like, it’s easier for any alignment to say ‘I think X is scum/town’ and harder for scum to come up with convincing thought processes

she does explain them when asked but I don’t get why she didn’t just do that in the original post where she said the reads

this could maybe be W/W?

hm

obviously ‘finding reasons to townread DatBird, a wolf’ isn’t, like, a good thing to do

but I kind of get the mindset here? like it reminds me a lot of myself in hydra game 3 with kat, where I kept talking myself into thinking that LHF players were town and then they kept not being town

and I kind of don’t feel like this is the way most people talk about wolf partners that they’re trying to defend? like ‘I keep trying to find reasons to townread X because I don’t want the game to feel easy, which is a silly thing to do and yet I am doing it anyway’ isn’t really the sort of read most people would make on a partner

silly read but I think sulit thinking that she’s being super villagery is villagery

like most wolves don’t think they’re being super obviously villagery because they have TMI and notice all the wolfy things they’re doing

this doesn’t really feel W/W with Mist

like it doesn’t feel like the approach scum!sulit would take to push scum!Mist, it doesn’t feel like she’s trying to get cred from Mist’s flip

this is like

technically this could be ‘wolf trying to buy time for Mist to claim PR’ but it also makes sense as ‘town who doesn’t want to quickhammer,’ I don’t really think it’s wolfy

@sulit

can you elaborate on why you didn’t believe the claim? no I will not tell you why I’m asking

not going to lie from how people have been talking about sulit I was expecting to find worse Dat interactions rather than just her saying Dat could maybe be town

I guess to be fair the relative lack of interactions is … also a thing


DAY 2 STARTS HERE

yes I know that D2+ is reading for someone with no TMI but I disagree that it can’t be used to make actual reads @orange, like that’s literally how I found Eph in SF3

this feels like a slightly townie sentiment

the biggest thing making me kind of meh about D2 is that despite townreading Conboi she didn’t really try very hard to defend him D2

but also D2 was like 3 hours and I have no reason to doubt she was on Zoom like she claims? so idk how much I should actually hold that against her

normally I would read sulit based on whether or not she had a WiM drop on D2 but I can’t really do that since we didn’t really have a D2


Day 3

I think the profanity is slightly more likely to come from townlit, sulit is a Nice Person™ and I think she would only swear if she actually believed it

this is another place where I think sulit would probably make up fake reasoning as scum

I think this is slightly townie, I basically believe this is true and scum sulit would have no reason to be worried that scum sulit would bully her since she would know that Conroy wasn’t scum

this set of posts are making me a little nervous, I think sulit is more likely than most of the people in the playerlist to either actually think Marshal/Vul were PRs and/or to not realize the importance of PR hunting in this set-up

the rest of her posting D3 is kind of underwhelming, which kind of scares me

lots of talking about how she doesn’t want to get quickhammered, which I think is basically NAI, presumably she wouldn’t want to get quickhammered regardless of her alignment I guess technically if she’s scum she might want to get quickhammered so that she doesn’t have to play anymore but I don’t think she would admit it

this is the only really read-based post that’s more than a ~sentence long today, it’s fine but it’s not amazing lock town never rescind

also kind of hate this post, I feel like scum soolit would basically have given up here and this post feels like it was written by someone who doesn’t want to be in the game any more

I think overall her posts D1 are a lot better than her posts D3, which should admittedly probably be a warning sign given sulitmeta but I liked a lot of her posts D1 and I don’t really think the interactions with dead wolves are as bad as everyone is saying

Overall Conclusions

I think sulit is probably a villager still, I don’t townread her nearly as strongly as I did on D1 but there are overall enough points of towniness/posts I don’t think wolf sulit writes that I still think she’s probably town. Obviously it’s not great how she reversed her read on Dat for ?reasons? but I don’t think it necessarily makes her a wolf, like, villagers are wrong sometimes, I know I’ve definitely had towngames where I did things like that and I think she’s been villagery enough outside of that to outweigh the fact that some of her interactions are a little bit :eyes:

@orangeandblack5

can you talk to me about this? I know you’re pretty strongly on the ‘sulit W’ train

“morning” Solic

feel like talking to me about where your head is at? I think all the other Americans went to sleep ;;-;;

Not really because I spend my time before work reading up.

Your Magnus thing btw can be outdated (but I never roll scum anymore so who knows) and I don’t think that panned out well that game, so I wouldn’t repeat it.

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sleeping noises

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nod

hypothetically speaking, how do you think you would play this game as scum? (assuming you were partnered with Dat and Mist)

hi kat

this is what i said earlier but with more words backing it up therefore we are the same alignment and that means we’re masons or this game is scumsided

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