Icibalus:
i probably could go ālook see dat is posting long ambivilant runoff sentencesā then vote him as an epic own right here, but quite frankly i donāt want to get into that
just note that this is something i have noticed for now
Icibalus:
agenda-y orange vibe is like
Icibalus:
Iām pretty sure Solic is operating from a perspective where wolves are controlled and villagers are not in their actions, and from that point of view sass is indicative of allignment. In previous metas, Iād argue that tell probably makes sense. Current meta on this site goes against it though.
[quote=āIcibalus, post:1508, topic:84772, full:trueā]Prologue: Dawn Of A New Era
Iāve been conflicted on DatBird this whole game, mostly because while he is Not In His Village Meta, the elements that resemble parts of his wolf meta justā¦ arenāt there to the degree they normally are. As somebody with a history of Sick Vig Shotsā¢ on Dat, this is troubling to me, as now I have to actually read his posts with intent to read rather than to consider.
The question I want to ask, moving on from this is: For what reason would Dat act the way he has acted in this game were he a villager- or, phrased differently but in a manner that is analogous, what perspective is he operating from ?
This perspective doesnāt have to be consistent or even good , it just has to be there. Letās take a summation of every major read Dat has posted this game:
Quotes
[quote=āDatBird, post:1208, topic:84772ā]
Hippolytus:
Marshal prolly wolf
Hippo is weird. Idfk how to read him as like last time I played with him I was his scum mate in like that voodoo game and that was a long ass time ago.
Just like this as well, gut dont like it
sulit:
/vote katze
blank vote, explain it please
[quote=āDatBird, post:1213, topic:84772ā]
Marshal:
because iciās question was weird and lame and uncool and mine was alpha and cool and poggers
thats a shit response
still catching up atm, gut dont like hippo atm, orange is like seth tunneled on me right now and its annoying especially below
I like been checking back and forth between catchup of my first post back, so boom got ya
[quote=āDatBird, post:1231, topic:84772ā]
Mistyx:
how do i vote 2 people at the same time
this post is just awkward, like to me it just adds nothing, and is saying they want to vote Marshal and Ici over posts to me that are ones bad for like just not responding, and then icis look into marshals logic which i think is a V!Ici post
considering how thats been the main reason I was scumread my past two town games I think its prob still true
Marshal:
katze?
more like shutze fuck up
katze:
wholeheartedly: fuck you
lets keep this like civil people. says the guy who flipped out earlier
can you expand on this geyde, as Im not like seeing the inconsistancies
[quote=āDatBird, post:1252, topic:84772ā]
Marshal:
What do you hope to get out of this question
do you think you get anything out of this question
y ask it
Like marshals whole interaction with Ici is just garbo. Because its like u did a rt with the sbpc thing and rescinded and then when asked why just are like why are u asking. Cause you did something needlessly just obtuse and people want to see your mindset as they dont understand it.
like if u had this, why not just say it. and even better u have this
this would have just answered the question from the get go instead of just deflecting it twice and then giving a half answer and then a full answer. Why didnāt u just say this from the beginning. If u had genuine thoughts on those and then rescinded them you could have just said this and this interaction wouldnāt be the mess it was
[quote=āDatBird, post:1259, topic:84772ā]
Marshal:
I felt that iciās questions werenāt really helpful
they tried to overanalyze an interaction I felt really didnāt need to be overanalyzed
Everyone solves differently, like idk I just dont see the point in not just answering the question. Sure he might be over analysizing it to you, but if it helps him solve you whats the problem. Isnt that half the battle not only finding scummy people, but making sure people dont think you are scummy.
[quote=āDatBird, post:1272, topic:84772ā]
orangeandblack5:
What
I was essentially thinking Marshal was gonna be off the bat with the heavy reads, so I asked him in a weird way for some gods nows reason who he scumreads and wants wagoned.
DatBird:
Marshal:
literally answered the question 2 mins after
tbf I didnt read it when it was made, but theres was plenty of posts before the proper answer, so it felt more stilted and long before you gave an response.
Sure villagers can do anything so can wolves, doesnāt mean I cant scumread it
Part 1: Casus Belli
The predominate method Iām seeing here is that Dat points to things which are somewhat unexplained in peopleās posts, and suggests that they are wolfy. He also says that villagers can do anything, but so can wolves, and implies that he is coming at the game from a probalisitc approach- tweaking nebulous odds in his head in response to stimulus. Take also this post:
DatBird:
From experience Hippo, as other than the select few metas I can remember as they are super distinct, I just generally probe like everything people say, and see if it like makes sense to meā¦
thereās other content in the post but itās not relevant here, and itās not like iām concealing it or anything.
The question now becomes whether this perspective (a mix of probablism, meta, and gut) is the driving force behind his posts, as we would expect to see if heās a villager.
Part 2: The War
ā¦yeah his posts follow that perspective pretty neatly actually. His posts, in my opinion, actually do make sense in terms of that. Theyāre consistent, in my opinion. I realise that itās harder to prove consistency than inconsistency, but I will nontheless try to demonstrate a lack of incongruity in perspective.
Every bit of content heās dropped thus far has been a matter of pointing out perceived incongruity. Thereās been no instances of him doing what Iād expect a wolf to do when imitating that perspective (which I would argue is actually quite hard), namely to begin with the probing comments and analysis, but then to move in to a more summary style in order to enact an agenda.
This is also consistent with Datās meta; as a wolf, Dat may begin with a naturalistic style of reading that he demonstrates in his village games, however in my experience the wallposts that are seen as his wolftell arise from two factors:
His tonal tic of long, ambivilant sentences drawing out post length.
His desire to sum up points that he would not were he not trying to push an agenda.
I realise it is early in the game still, and writing a wallpost such as this one may be premature, but I believe that the lack of summary combined with the naturalistic progression (completely independent of the quality of reads, by the way, I dislike quite a few of Datās takes) indicates that Dat is >rand v.
Epilogue: Donāt Vote Dat, Heās >Rand V
Donāt vote dat, heās >rand v.
Icibalus:
(uh. i have to point out that while hippoās actions are at odds with his more analytical wolf meta, which is actually strangely strong despite being out-of-character because itās an inherrently appealing format to villagers, iām willing to bet he doesnāt care about this game enough to do that, and the near-complete absence of proactive content is Not Good:tm:)
@Solic
these were the ones I particularly liked
i am LITERALLY unreadable 