We could use my queen suggestion.
Adding link to the queen
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/class-suggestion-the-queen-unknown-special/54518
Thats a great idea, to add a class that oppose the king.
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Yea. While I definitely a agree that king causes a problem (kinda the whole point of the queen). It should be remembered that even if King had no Ability’s and just had a random faction he would still cause swing.
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Maybe another way to balance it is to count him as the number of total evil players.
When an evil king will start the game the unseen will start with mastermind only for example.
Thats how every other games work.
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I’d still feel it would be better to have it always being 3 members with one of them not meeting up with the other 2. That way the evils don’t automatically know the Kings alignment D1 by how meny members they have.
In other words it would be a 35% chance of King being the 3rd evil and a 65% chance it is literally anyone else.
That could be nice if evil will start with a random sage or somthing, but im not sure how can a sage help when he doesnt know his allies.
I think Order Exe should be replaced with a social ability that helps Good King communicate with BD and Evil King conspire with evil
I also think that Butler poison should kill King at the end of the day, preventing him from using order execute that night
I think Order Exe should be replaced with a social ability that helps Good King communicate with BD and Evil King conspire with evil
How is that adressing the problem?
We are trying to make
Good king win percentage = bd win percentage
evil win percentage = evil win percentage
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It’s hard to balance this issue without having statistics. If you want to make evil king less swingy, you could make it that king can’t use order exe the night after using decide fate. To make good king less swingy, you could reduce the number of guards.
I think 2 order exe’s is the right number. Less than that punishes good play.
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Well that’s why I am making it always an independent 3 shot killer with a 3 shot type check and 3 shot immunity and RB instead if it isn’t the king. It’s fairly clear how that could be useful even without knowing her allies. Plus that means that the evils STILL don’t know if an elected king is good or not even if they were not one of them.
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We’re never going to balance evil king and good king like that. The big picture is that evil king will be a +1 to evils, and unless evil themselves kill him, bd have to use a whole day executing him.
I saw the idea of nerfing Order Execute to 1, but that almost only nerfs neutral king. Most games I’ve played with an evil king, ends up with him somehow getting prince up to the stand, using Decide Fate, then killing a known bd at night or just killing prince at night, then getting voted up by the court. More often than not he doesn’t get his second Order Execute off.
In addition to this, we currently have no way to deduce the faction of the king. He has no abilities that are social or investigative anymore, so we’re required to whisper meta. This leaves us in a hard spot where we have to whisper king to deduce his faction, but doing that gets the king closer to identifying the prince.
Tl;Dr we need to make the kings abilities not be able to auto kill the prince once he knows who he is, as that’s what makes evil king and good king so swingy.
The only way for that to happen is for the prince to globally announce he is prince every single game, which turns him into the new king, and makes the current king a dead roll.
Do you not see the problem of prince announcing who he is every single game? This turns prince into a 100% confirmed bd leader who can kill and occupy through immunity. This then requires cult/ unseen to figure some way through prince’s defenses before he muddy figures them out by information he gets through whispers.
That’s literally the least healthy meta I could imagine right now.