BD Should Be Pro-Inquisitor - Here's Why

#1

People oft liken the new Inquisitor to a quasi-neutral killer, and given how frequently he’s being played that way it makes perfect sense.

But today I write this thread to guide people to a newer, more prosperous path for Inquisitors:

The Nice Inq

This concept essentially comes down to saving your Ruthless Efficiency uses regardless of whether you find people or not. If you find a heathen, you determine their exact class, now that Alch has been sufficiently toned down and nerfed from God status, Inquisitor is the only class in the game that has access to this raw investigative power from N1. Granted, it can only be used on 3 players, but the point still stands.

Say you find an Observer. The tempting thing that most Inquisitors cannot resist is killing the Observer the following night. I pose this question to you: why would you do that?

I’m serious.

You’re an Inquisitor. If the Blue Dragon defeat the Neutral Killer and Evils and you have failed to kill the three heathens, the game continues. This means there is no rush to kill heathens.

This is the core to this thread, so I will repeat it in allcaps.

INQUISITOR HAS NO RUSH WHEN IT COMES TO KILLING HEATHENS AS THE GAME DOES NOT END EVEN WITH EVILS/NK DEFEATED UNTIL EITHER THE INQUISITOR OR THE HEATHENS ARE KILLED.

The alternate method I put to you goes something like this:

  1. Find a heathen
  2. If they are evil, hold on to the info in the event you are upped or out them if it’s later into the game.
  3. If they are Blue Dragon, periodically check them every few days to see if they are converted.
  4. If they have been converted, revert to step 2.
  5. If they are never converted after the evils/NK are defeated, and/or if they are the last living heathen, kill them.
  6. ???
  7. PROFIT (extra gold at the end of the game)

The Flaw

The current flaw with this approach is that players are currently leagues behind in regards of how to play and approach Inquisitors. Bad, careless play on the part of the Inq is giving him a Neutral-Killer tier reputation, and it can’t be salvaged because even if the Inq plays nice BD don’t give a shit and kill them anyway.

TL;DR: (read the method list first) BD can serve to benefit greatly from Inq as it stands; and I think it’s about time players started opening their minds to this largely unexplored method of play. Inquisitor does not have to be a discount neutral killer.

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#2

here is the thing. Once you know all 3 heathens it is in your favor to kill them ASAP.

Sure you CAN hold onto the information but for example: A scum heathen is going to kill you if you try this.

So you in theory could wait until end game to kill them. However you have more reason to risk attacking them than you do to wait by default.

This means that BD cannot trust that you will wait even if you claim you will. Meaning you would get executed. Meaning you lose while trying this.

TLDR: Not a valid strat

#3

Which is why leverage is important. Finding evil heathens and saving them as leverage in the event you are upped can be a lifesaver.

#4

Not if they nightkill you to stop you

#5

And why should BD trust you anyways? You have every reason to lie about their class to eliminate 2 Heathens.

Once you know both heathens you can kill 2 and accuse 1 to win within 2 nights. Which is way safer than hoping nothing goes wrong with this plan. And trust me, there is a lot that can go wrong

#6

If a smart Knight exists then you are dead anyways. You would get CSed inspite of the leverage. Same for a heathen alch

#7

And reveal your log? That’s a death sentence for evils that he has found and withheld. Moreover, the single bit of night immunity you get deters evils going for you. 2 nights investment to remove one neutral who could side with you from play is not worth their time.

The only time I would have little-no trust for an outed Inq would be when I’m aware they only have one heathen left. Other than that, there’s little reason for him to lie because of his shaky position in the court, particularly with BD in strong majority. Long game needs to be played.

That’s in the event you’re forced to out. I’m not calling for d1 Inq claims here.

#8

Depending on the situation you only need 1 dead. You accuse one and then kill the other before the next day.

Or better yet you kill all 3 before they can even TRY to accuse you.

Yeah you don’t kill the obs you found D1. But once you have all 3 heathens located you have no reason to weight if only because you can fake claim a different class and use your leverage that way instead.

Why claim Inquisitor and wait to kill when you could claim Sheriff and accuse the Assassin, RE heathen. Accuse heathen.

#9

Kinda mixed on this one. On one hand I see this working BUT I see this working more in games that aren’t turbo, and I think BD should always execute an inquisitor as they are basically a mini NK.

#10

This is because an inquisitor claim does not actually have any additional utility compared to a BD claim.

Hell claim Alch at the very least. It’s not like anyone can tell the difference

#11

If there is 1 heathen alive you can accuse them

If there are 2 heathens alive then if you night kill them there will be 1 the next day

if there are 3 heathens and you accuse one then there will be 2 the next night

If BD cannot stop you from preforming night actions then you can safely accuse with 2 heathens

In otherwords once you know all 3 heathens then you can eliminate them back to back fairly safely

Especially because you can RE non-heathens.

#12

Also this strat hinges on a mistake in programming imo - Inquis should not prevent the game ending

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#13

It also hinges on BD believing you when you claim that Scum are all dead. It isn’t exactly easy to tell in a conversion game a lot of the time.

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#14

Yeah, I don’t see why the main factions wincons resolving involve a neutral’s wincon also resolving. Seems a little tipped in Inquis’ favour otherwise, other neutrals do not get this second chance.

Take the old scorned, if the unseen/cult and NK were gone, did it become a “find the scorned or have them exe their target” for the game to end? Similar story here, if anything you should prolong the game so that you can find them and kill them.

Don’t think I’ve seen any inq spawns at all tbh, maybe it’s on hiatus

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#15

Imagine BD with no killing classes left unable to end the game because a fool was alive

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#16

profusely sweating

#17

this is incredibly idealistic and not at all realistic

most inquisitors will still kill as soon as they find a heathen

so the safe play is still to lynch the inquis

#18

BD are heathen. Inquisitors want to kill heathen. Inquisitors want to kill BD. Bd needs to kill inquis gg. No Arguement

#19

CONVERTIBLE BD are heathen.

This is why patient Inq play can work in symbiosis with BD. They will inevitably get converted in long-term games, thus sniping these people when they do since you can always tell their exact class works.

This is completely wrong. BD does not need to kill the Inquisitor. Inquisitor wins with everyone barring select circumstances where the last remaining member of a faction or a neutral is a heathen.

#20

Don’t take my words out of context you meat head. I said since inquisitors need to kill bd who are heathen (probability says that bd are most likely heathen) the bd should kill the inquisitors to protect themselves.