Butler needs to be nerfed

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#21

Whats your point I don’t understand why you think we need butler to learn indomation when it really doesn’t

Please don’t use the arguement of tol and fol are different so we cannot use a single thing from fol.

#22

What I’m saying is that ToL is specifically built against social deduction, and as such removing a huge chunk of mechanical deduction is only good in FoL

#23

what?

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#24

Throne of Lies is a 3D online multiplayer game where up to 16 players use their social deduction skills in a modern take on tabletop games like Werewolf/Mafia and set during a time of medieval conflict within a fantasy realm.

The unique Day/Night cycle allows unique encounters with different strategies per phase. During the day, players discuss their findings and accuse players of treason. At night, players use their abilities to occupy, spy on, conspire against and even kill the opposing players. In a game of minority vs majority and where wit is more important than abilities, the good players will accuse and execute the guilty of treason, while the bad guys will manipulate others to turn the good guys against themselves!

While Cult and Unseen players know their allies, members of the Blue Dragon must be suspicious of every other player to ensure that they don’t fall to an evil plot. Even the King is suspect in Throne of Lies , and the enemy’s ability to convert other players to their side means that allegiances are always shifting.

The game concludes when the Blue Dragon faction has disposed of all hostile threats against the kingdom or their enemies have seized control of the Throne of Lies !

#25

“3rd maid claim is sus” is social deduction tbh

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#26

Yes, but imagine the ToL playerbase doing that :joy_cat:

Mechanical deduction is quite powerful and OP’s changes are not going to change that. BD will just have an unfairly low winrate.

#27

This

And this contradict

#28

You can’t just say “oh but mechanical deduction is powerful now so it should stay” when… if you make it less powerful people will ADAPT

How else do you think the various metas formed

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#29

The game has 90 second days. If I ran a turbo on these forums at that pace, everyone would scream at me to no end (look what happened to five minute days)

#30

I gotta say. Once you can mech solve ToL, you basically win most of your BD games.

#31

90 second days work a lot better when they’re automatically processed

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#32

Making it so occupy immunes don’t know of attempts will just make the game have a lower BD win rate

#33

and that’s bad because…?

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#34

Not to mention how unfun butler would become

#35

I think the opposite.

#36

I dunno

I think I’d have fun locking an evil into doing nothing for 3 nights

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#37

This is probably my worst idea ever, but what if party had unlimited uses and serve wine three

#38

all butlers would become immortal

ayaya

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#39

then you have an unkillable butler for 3+ night

#40

Late game assa would gain immunity from all the partying and kill the butler. If you’re complaining about early game then this game has bigger problems than that (such as chain-healing prince).

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