Chloe fan club (but only FM related) (formerly initiative to improve townplay thread) šŸ˜¹

I think the fact thereā€™s too many good games right now makes it too hard for me not to in to those sort of games, thatā€™s the thing.

Ah, I found it the complete opposite, when I played as my alts in FoL and BotF, I just found it stressful and annoying. But then again, I prefer being myself.

But really
Meta is at best a supplement for most players (with a few notable exceptions)

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Alts have good uses

Donā€™t want to be killed n1 all the time? alt
Want to get out of a meta/try a new playstyle? alt

Some people are alice and donā€™t want to be alice because that means you just always die n1

I played as frankie to actually try and be serious without people going :open_mouth: marshal being serious ??? what this mean ???

and my reads were good that game

I could always try doing that on my main but part of the magic is gone because people would still know itā€™s me

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meta can combat pushing LHFs and often give clears to people with super obvious metas

but for like people of medium to high skill with no discernable difference in metas meta is just a machine that can be cherrypicked regardless of who uses it and is, like N said, super prone to bias.

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meta isnā€™t inherently bad but itā€™s vastly overused

like a lot of people are like ā€˜oh Aitim is acting like he acted last time he was town, so heā€™s town this gameā€™ or ā€˜oh Isel is acting differently from how she acted last time she was town, she must be scumā€™ when really the things theyā€™re trying to meta-read Aitim and Isel on are basically NAI

but it does have some use because (a) certain very-meta-able players exist and (b) you can sometimes use it to pick up on specific things as being NAI (e.g. ā€˜Arete can wallpost as either alignment, donā€™t put them in the towncore for that,ā€™ ā€˜CRichard is always OMGUSy so the fact that heā€™s OMGUSing doesnā€™t mean heā€™s scum (but doesnā€™t make him town either)ā€™)

who are Aitim and Isel
they sound like nerds

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Thereā€™s two problems with meta on this site. One is overreliance as mentioned.

The other is justification for being bad/lazy/useless. ā€œYou canā€™t expect me to act townie/hunt for scum/contribute - itā€™s my metaā€.

Ffs, Git gud!

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self biases are even more detramental than general biases

Sometimes when you have a really emotional interaction with a player, you subconsciously start associating a trait with them forever
even if it hasnā€™t applied in months

Yes, meta can be useful at times
But meta-based gutreads are always omega levels of garbage

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I explained this before
this will never be fixed since thereā€™s never going to be an anti-low-wim rule, and thatā€™s just how some ppl play the game.

names of characters from what Iā€™m going to loosely refer to as a story that I read a few years ago

Aitim is not a nerd, being a nerd is for greens and heā€™s blue :^)

I mean

when people of my alignment (or the other alignment) donā€™t try itā€¦ pisses me off

but thereā€™s not much we can do if someone always hits post cap and makes posts but never really tries as either alignment

they havenā€™t broken any rules even if they make the game experience less enjoyable for others

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Yeah, i know
Im just saying itā€™s pointless to continue complaining about it
since itā€™s an unfixable problem in the status quo

This thread is entitled ā€œThe initiative to improve town play on this siteā€ - one way is stop accepting, and individuals themselves, that certain players are allowed to be useless. You can have horrible reads, town read all the scum and tunnel obvious townies and youā€™d still be better than some players.

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just policy exe all the useless people until they stop being useless

I mean

no

I donā€™t think it is

The real solution is ā€œpolicy lynchā€ but nobody is going to want to policy lynch in their specific game and so nothing happens

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this thread has existed for months and those individuals have never changed
like i said, im sure nothing will change things in the status quo

mindmelding with Marshal

Marshal must be town

there can be no other possible explanation

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I kinda was willing to do that and I wouldnā€™t be against it. If it takes endlessly being lynched to wake upā€¦

Not really sure if policy lynching is foolproof
Iā€™ll believe it when i see it