[Class suggestion] New Neutral Classes

[Diggity69]

Well, you should let them know like the 2nd night or something

[Jane]

I added this:

Persistent (Passive) - If there are no infected alive and you have no uses of Contagious Breath or Infect left, you will gain a use for both.

this:

Players are only notified when they become infected after they have been infected for an entire night.

and this:

infected players cannot be Death or Bleed immune

[Diggity69]

What about healing infected people? And also, people who are either made bleed immune or were already bleed immune can’t be infected. (If you inoculate an infected they won’t get the passive until after they were healed)

[Kape]

@Jane

The Royal Vampire

Doesn’t add anything significant to the game.

@Jane

Info: At the start of the game, you will be notified how many other players have Royal Blood.

Hard confirm on royals, no thanks. Hard limit to claimspace and doesn’t mesh well with Pretender.

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@Jane

The Plague Doctor

@Jane

Epidemic (Day) - Whispers from infected players will infect the target of the whisper for the rest of the day. (1 use)

“Prince here, claim to me”
Yeah, I would rather not have the whole court infected because whisper metas exist.

@Jane

Every non-infected player who visits or is visited by an infected player will become infected .

I’m not gonna run any math on this, but I predict the whole court is gonna be infected by d4/d5.

No direct kill ability, infection is not an attack so it cannot be protected from, infection outs the type of NK easily.

While the idea might be interesting, this class will not work in this game.

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@Jane

The Terror

@Jane

Paralyze (Day) - Silence a player and prevent their voting for the rest of the day. (3 uses)

Hello stronger Reaper Chill.

@Jane

Vivid Nightmare (Day) - Target a player, they will be occupied and killed tonight. Bypasses Death Immunity. (∞ uses)

Not preventable kill which can attack while in jail

@Jane

Possess (Night) - Target 2 players, empower the first target and redirect them to the second target. (3 uses)

Reused names (this is me being nitpicky). I assume empower as in CW emp? But why…

This class is too strong. It offers too much for literally nothing compared to the other NKs. It also has self confirmation as 2 of the strongest BD, Butler and Drunk.

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@Jane

The Patrician

I made a similar class to this. Was also doing something with bribes/ gold.

@Jane

Silence Is Golden (Day) - Use 2 gold to silence a player for the rest of the day. Does not prevent voting. (∞ uses)

Too expensive compared to the other abilities.

@Jane

Hire (Night) - Use 2 gold to target two players and redirect the first target to the second target.

Special class that can deb. Too confirmable.

@Jane

Diplomatic Immunity (Night) - Use 3 gold to make votes to pardon you count twice the next day. Not usable until N3.

Also this is a hard confirm on him.

@Jane

Your objective is to survive until the end of the game with a least 1 gold remaining.

Aaaaand it doesn’t really add anything to the game. Just another survivor neut.

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Overall, I like the ideas, don’t like the execution.
Neutrals need to affect the court somehow, they can’t just --exist–.

[NuclearBurrito]

Pro tip: Instead of starting with a mechanical concept, try and start with a problem that can be solved.

For example:

Problem - Investigators are far too trustworthy

Solution - Scorned, a class that can frame and is highly encouraged to fake claim invest

While not all neuts are designed this way (merc and alch don’t solve any specific issues) it tends to result in better classes more often than not.

[Kape]

Alch solves the issue of Scum having close to no protection from BD killers.

[NuclearBurrito]

debatable. Alch definitely wasn’t designed specifically to address that problem.

[Jane]

@Kape

The Royal Vampire

Doesn’t add anything significant to the game.

Jgoesgaming:

Info: At the start of the game, you will be notified how many other players have Royal Blood.

Hard confirm on royals, no thanks. Hard limit to claimspace and doesn’t mesh well with Pretender.

Good points, I made it so that the game does not end if The Royal Vampire is still alive (like Inq) and removed the notification about how many royals there are.

@Kape

Epidemic (Day) - Whispers from infected players will infect the target of the whisper for the rest of the day. (1 use)

“Prince here, claim to me”
Yeah, I would rather not have the whole court infected because whisper metas exist.

The whispers only infect if the infected player whispers another player.
But I’ve nerfed it in case Prince outs and whispers players for claims instead of asking them publicly.

@Kape

Every non-infected player who visits or is visited by an infected player will become infected .

I’m not gonna run any math on this, but I predict the whole court is gonna be infected by d4/d5.

No direct kill ability, infection is not an attack so it cannot be protected from, infection outs the type of NK easily.

While the idea might be interesting, this class will not work in this game.

I’m not gonna run any math on it either (it’s summer vacation after all) and I wasn’t expecting it to be added, so I can live with that. Nerfed it regardless.

@Kape

Paralyze (Day) - Silence a player and prevent their voting for the rest of the day. (3 uses)

Hello stronger Reaper Chill.

Added the negative side effect of not being Death Immune and removed 1 use.

@Kape

Vivid Nightmare (Day) - Target a player, they will be occupied and killed tonight. Bypasses Death Immunity. (∞ uses)

Not preventable kill which can attack while in jail

Well… yes. (replaced with Vivid Nightmare (Day) - Target a player, they will not be able to use their night abilities tonight (2 uses))

@Kape

Possess (Night) - Target 2 players, empower the first target and redirect them to the second target. (3 uses)

Reused names (this is me being nitpicky). I assume empower as in CW emp? But why…

This class is too strong. It offers too much for literally nothing compared to the other NKs. It also has self confirmation as 2 of the strongest BD, Butler and Drunk.

Replaced both night abilities with Scared To Death (Night) - Kill a player, they cannot be healed. ( ∞ uses)

Basically the older Terror was better and I shouldn’t have changed it.

@Kape

The Patrician

I made a similar class to this. Was also doing something with bribes/ gold.

Was it The Baron? Because that’s like a combination of The Royal Vampire and The Patrician.

@Kape

Silence Is Golden (Day) - Use 2 gold to silence a player for the rest of the day. Does not prevent voting. (∞ uses)

Too expensive compared to the other abilities.

It now costs 1 gold.

@Kape

Hire (Night) - Use 2 gold to target two players and redirect the first target to the second target.

Special class that can deb. Too confirmable.

Nerfed it a lot. Not very confirmable now.

@Kape

Diplomatic Immunity (Night) - Use 3 gold to make votes to pardon you count twice the next day. Not usable until N3.

Also this is a hard confirm on him.

How? It would need at a perfect 2:1 Execution/Pardon rate, and it could be a Fool or an evil trying to waste a day.

@Kape

Your objective is to survive until the end of the game with a least 1 gold remaining.

Aaaaand it doesn’t really add anything to the game. Just another survivor neut.

Is that a bad thing?

[justaneut]

It has been a while since i posted but for the Patrician prehaps up the amount of gold it takes to either win or to occupy some1 who attacks you otherwise its just a class who is immune to getting killed by an assasin or cult leader since he will gain 1 gold from the visit and will use 2 to prevent the attack wich means he can get a save claim D1 with the Loyalty Bonus or Silence is golden and there is no real reason to push on him form BD and the other factions prob dont want to waste there time going trough his gold so unless the NK has a grudge against you or the prince you can get an very ez win as the class