[Class Suggestion] Noble and Aristocrat (Social)

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#1

Oh goodness.

The new Noble is almost game-breakingly intrusive. What was even the point of giving players private notes if they’re still forced to keep one claim (and only one claim) in their will? Why even bother? Snoop on a BD class is kind of ridiculous, especially one that isn’t even investigative.

Now, I’ve made suggestions for both the Priest and the Noble before, but it turns out that people really like Maid Spy. I don’t like it at all, but as long as you can’t spy on the King, I can definitely live with it. And so, I figured I might as well figure out a way to appease pretty much everybody.

Here’s my basic idea for improving the vote-control Noble variant that was the cleanest the game has yet seen. Linked below, you will find my Priest suggestion, which includes a renamed Maid Spy. I think this has a lot of potential to fix a bunch of issues in one go, so please let me know what you think of both of these suggestions. Thanks.

Noble

Blue Dragon Social

Espionage (Passive) - You see all votes cast in real-time during a trial or election.
Bureaucracy (Passive) - You are able to use more than one day ability on any given day, and may use the same ability multiple times.
Political Pressure (Day) - Force a player to accuse the same person as you for the rest of the day - 3 uses
Pull Rank (Day) - An extra vote will be added to your vote for execution or pardon - 3 uses
Royal Decree (Night) - Make a player immune to accusations the next day - 3 uses
Order (Night) - Negate the votes of a target player the next day - 3 uses

Aristocrat

Unseen Social

Espionage (Passive) - You see all votes cast in real-time during a trial or election.
Bureaucracy (Passive) - You are able to use more than one day ability on any given day, and may use the same ability multiple times.
Political Pressure (Day) - Force a player to accuse the same person as you for the rest of the day - 3 uses
Pull Rank (Day) - An extra vote will be added to your vote for execution or pardon - 3 uses
Royal Decree (Night) - Make a player immune to accusations the next day - 3 uses
Order (Night) - Negate the votes of a target player the next day - 3 uses

Priest and Heretic

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/class-suggestion-priest-and-heretic-social/9863

Points of potential improvement:
-This will be really strong, and will probably need to be nerfed eventually. However, this is necessary at first to quell excessive complaints of the Noble being “underpowered”.
-Noble is no longer Royal. However, nobility in general is not usually royalty, and with so many Royal Blood classes I think we can afford to drop Noble from their ranks. If for some reason it is necessary that the Noble have Royal Blood, just fold Espionage into Bureaucracy.
-It may be best to replace order removing a player’s ability to vote with giving the target a vote that counts for twice as much. Let me know if you agree in the poll below.
-Open to further suggestions/improvements. Don’t be afraid to be harsh!

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#2

Hmm… Stacking political Pressure on the same player seems really strong.

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#3

I do infact think that Royal blood is necessary. The reason being A: flavor. And B: this way the princess can know for sure that a social/Support result isn’t royal.

#4

Yep

But that’s a good thing short-term

#5

what does see votes in realtime mean?

#6

It sees who is voting pardon/guilty

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#7

I also think it apply’s to the king election. If it doesn’t it should.

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#8

Good idea, adding that.

#9

The spy maid and crier should be back, if you think spy maid is too powerful then you can make it not be able to target king (but can hear wishpers from and to king from the target)

Crier is a great way to give messages without outing yourself. should have 2 or 3 uses

Pull Rank (Day) - An extra vote will be added to your vote for execution or pardon - 3 uses
Royal Decree (Night) - Make a player immune to accusations the next day - 3 uses
Order (Night) - Negate the votes of a target player the next day - 3 uses

Those are very boring, only usefull in the end of the game, and still weaker then king finger

#10

I feel Political pressure should be unable to target the king, and you should be able to control the person’s vote the whole day (With like a small note about that person being forced to vote x). To make it fast, It needs to force your victims to copy your vote and should also have a box so you can select people in big groups IMO

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#11

Literally none of this is true lmao

@Moleland good idea on streamlining

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#12

bump because I dislike the new Noble

(and yes I do catch the irony in disliking Noble)

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#13

But the new noble is actually pretty cool!

#14

+1, the only issue is send order. It should just prevent them from voting and speaking, and possibly be unlimited.

But Noble should be about vote manipulation, snoop and maid spy don’t have anything to do with vote manipulation. The night abilities should be given to other classes, abilities should fit the theme of a class. Plus snoop is a bit overpowered for a BD class, evils will no longer be able to out night and convert immune players.

#15

They can do that in DN or last words. Also pure vote manipulation is not fun. The king has guards and Ally’s at night. The ToS Mayor has his unrevealed state and the fact that he is always town. The psychic with misdirect only had it as a secondary ability, Ect…

#16

Wrong, pure vote manipulation would be fun as hell.

Oh wait, we’re making something subjective seem objective now. :stuck_out_tongue:

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#17

Still though. Noble WAS the only example of pure vote manipulation I can think of and it was also hated by lots of people.

Note: The Aristocrat however was perfectly fine.

#18

Except the issue was pretty much people not understanding the power they held. A few buffs would keep the coherency of the role while also making it “more fun”.

#19

Update and revamp!

Well, kinda, but mostly Priest.

Which do you prefer?

  • Order removes target’s vote
  • Order gives target an extra vote

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#20

One thing noble is a royal class and voting class doesnt info on Google say a noble is royalty?