[Class Suggestion] Return of the Noble

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#1

Noble was removed because of a Hearsay that did not work as intented and because people thought Noble was too primarily focussed on vote manipulation.

My suggestion is to have him return with his old (but slightly nerfed) Spy Maid ability instead of 1 vote manipulation ability.

Noble

(Social class)

Passive

  • Royal Blood
  • Inquiries: When found dead in the morning, increase the trial limit for that day by one.

Daytime abilities:

  • Political Pressure: Force a player to accuse someone. You cannot force the King to accuse someone or force a player to accuse the King. (3 uses)
  • Spy Maid: Choose a player. You will see all whispers from and to that player today. Can target the King. Cannot be used before day 3. (3 uses)

Nighttime abilities

  • Royal Decree: Protect another player from being accused next day. Cannot target the King (3 uses)
  • Send Order: Target player cannot accuse or vote next day. Cannot target the King. (3 uses)

Aristocrat (Unseen)

(Social class)

Passive

  • Royal Blood

Daytime abilities:

  • Political Pressure: Force a player to accuse someone. You cannot force the King to accuse someone or force a player to accuse the King. (3 uses)
  • Spy Maid: Choose a player. You will see all whispers from and to that player today. Can target the King. Cannot be used before day 3. (3 uses)

Nighttime abilities

  • Royal Decree: Protect another player from being accused next day. Cannot target the King (3 uses)
  • Send Order: Target player cannot accuse or vote next day. Cannot target the King. (3 uses)
#2

I agree Noble should be added back in to the game. But there’s no reason Maid Spy should be restricted like that.

Also, it totally needs the Royal Blood passive, too.

#3

I would simply notify the king if he is being spyed on

#4

@grahfite
I completely forgot the Royal Blood passive! Of course that should stay. Added it.

I think being able to use Spy Maid D2 is very strong. It both gives you some vital info on other BD and gives you an opportunity to declare Noble all with 1 ability.

D3 increases the chance that Noble is converted (either Aristocrat who also has Spy Maid, or Apostle who has Eavesdrop), so him breaking in a BD chat still gives you the info, but the Noble will be trusted a little less by those BD.
I wouldn’t be opposed removing this restriction though and see how that goes. (the fewer restrictions = the more clear the rules = the better the game)

@NuclearBurrito
No, that would be too much of a nerf. King should be in the dark too. Just requires a bit more thought from King when whisping.

#5

No I mean notifying the king as opposed to the other limitations.

#6

I understand. I don’t like that restriction regardless whether my own restriction is applied.
Spying with someone knowing isn’t really spying.

#7

Isn’t it thought? First of all anyone whispering to you doesn’t know about the spy, Second of all it doesn’t actually negate the usefulness of maid spy. It is still just as useful if you are using it on someone other than the king and if you figure out who the king is going to whisper to then it is even better because rather than being uncertain the thinks he is definitely not being watched.

#8

noble was good with order, private matter, and maid spy all in one. Perfect class, only new players hated it

#9

Looks great, although I would like to see a new ability for the converted Unseen form, since the Cult Converted form changes him completely anyway.
The Inquiries passive is very clever!

#10

Honestly Noble would be best if he doubled and tripled down on his mastery of votes imo

#11

I think giving him the one extra dimension (spying) next to vote manipulation will make Noble very interesting again.

#12

I think it will make him broken.

Is that “interesting”? Sure.

Is it healthy? No.

#13

More broken than the unlimited choice between spying and hiding your whispers?

I think all will be good with one limited use spying ability.

And people will eventually be able to counter such abilities with smarter whispers. (or die trying)

#14

less broken =/= not broken

basically my view, really not a fan of any whisper reading tbqh

#15

I don’t think spying is broken in the basic.

But I guess personal preferences differ. I thought the old Noble was very fun.

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#16

Fun to be, horrible to play against