[Class Suggestion] The Diplomat/The Ambassador

No. The blue dragon shouldn’t have a class that allows the prince to die. It’s already hard for evils to kill an outed prince. The only version of this that I would be accept would be a ToL amnesiac.

No. Neutrals are convert immune for a reason. And what if the unseen have already outed themselves to a neut? That would be unfair.

Scum :clap: to :clap: Town :clap: Conversion :clap: is :clap: always :clap: Bad.

also backup Prince isn’t bad if you actually read it, it’s just there’s something that makes people scream in terror when people include specific backups in their setups for some reason

however this class is bad because scum to town conversion is literally the worst fucking thing in Mafia ever

@RHCube btw here’s a ToL Amnesiac for ya:

The Squire

Blue Dragon Social

In Training (Passive) - You will survive the first time you are attacked in the first 3 nights.

In Their Footsteps (Night) - Choose a dead non-unique Blue Dragon player. You will become their class. (Infinite uses. 1 night cooldown)
BD goal

The Page

Unseen Social

In Training (Passive) - You will survive the first time you are attacked in the first 3 nights.

Correct Their Mistakes (Night) - Choose a dead non-unique Blue Dragon player. You will become the Unseen version of their class. (Infinite uses. 1 night cooldown)
Unseen goal

Credit goes to jammy, basically just the FoL class but with changges to how In Training works.

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Like Squire is the closest thing to Amnesiac i’d like to see in ToL, because I don’t think having a Neutral that can take alignments could be a good thing for the game, especially with the issue of convert caps and in-faction promotions.

Plus, it only adds swing, while having a Universal Backup only reduces swing.

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This made me laugh

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It isn’t converting scum. It converts Neuts. Unseen/Cult are uneffected

Neutrals are scum Nuclear

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All Neutrals except Inquisitor and Mercenary are objectively scum, because they basically have to harm Town in some way to win.

Even if you don’t say that, you’ve literally just cut off all the possibilities for the main scum factions to communicate with neutrals and convince them to side with them, because Diplomat exists.

Alchemist isn’t scum

Alchemist will literally always betray you in LyLo out of self-interest.
They’re scum.

Say what you want about his effects at LyLo. He is likely to heal 1-2 people before then for the towncredit alone before it gets to that.

Treating the alchemist like scum does not make it so

Also unlike with the vanilla survivor it is often safer to stick with BD in LyLo because you can heal chain.

counterpoint: you have a 2-shot vig

Counter counter point. Using it randomly gets you killed

not if you, you know
actually fucking don’t admit to it being a yolobomb

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Not just that. It leaves you open to being caught by a princess, observer, Knight or Hunter.

The possibility of an instant loss and loss of leverage outweigh the rewards of a faster game

It’s safer to just heal for towncredit and side with BD.

By that logic, Nuclear, all NKs should never kill and side with BD because they might get caught by Princess, Observer, Knight or Hunter.

Kills are risky, sure, but I’d argue killing as Alchemist is 100% worth it if you actually use your skill and judgement to determine whether killing someone is a good idea.

Now the point isn’t that they always do this (if it was then converting them would be pointless). However it happens enough that calling them objectively scum is just false