[Class suggestion] The double agent / The traitor

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The Double agent
Blue dragon investigative
Passive: Infiltration
If the mastermind or cult leader attempts to convert you, you will become the traitor.
Passive: Reliable sources
You know if the cult or unseen are present at the beginning of the game
Day ability: In plain sight
Choose what class you appear to be to the evil classes if you are converted tonight*
Night ability: Informants
(2 use) learn how much of every faction is currently present in the game, ignoring the king.

The Traitor
Blue dragon Investigative
Passive: Intelligence
Hear the chat of the unseen/cult at night, with their classes as names instead of names. You do not meet with them the first night of your membership, as though you were imprisoned by the prince. After one night of membership, you learn the identities of the cult/unseen.
Passive: Convincing
You appear to be the class you choose with “In plain sight” as the double agent. You are so convincing that you appear suspicious to investigators.

*For example, if you choose physician and are converted into the unseen, you will appear to be the herbalist to the unseen. If you were converted to the cult, you will appear to be the ritualist.

Just an outline, this is the basic idea

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#2

how to completely screw over the Unseen in one easy step

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#3

i’d say make the traitor permanently only able to see class names, and give it a 1(maybe 2/3) use ability to learn their names, but only if none of them successfully do an action

#4

Tbh this sounds terrible and would completely wreck any chance the bad guys have of winning the game.

#5

if, barring extenuating circumstance, the traitor cannot see the names of the evil, how so?
also, if the evil finds out for sure that someone else was jailed that first night, then they know whos a traitor

#6

Great, now you think it’s a good idea to make a faction lose for converting someone.

ABSOLOUTELY NOTHING STOPS THE TRAITOR FROM CLAIMING SO AND OUTING THE ENTIRETY OF THE UNSEEN.

And don’t try and WIFOM (but what if it’s a fakeclaim) your way out of this. Delete this class immediately.

#7
  1. I was going to make him never learn the unseen’s names, but then they could just ask everyone they convert “what are our names?” and they would be known.
  1. but what if it is a fake claim? scorned could use this, as could fool.

no

#8

So now you point out that it’s swingy as hell: Either it completely fucks over the whole scumteam, or it does notjing.

Great job.

#9

It just means evil will have to consider more deeply who to convert.

Keep in mind that unseen know they are traitor if they convert him N1, as he will not have had the chance to use in plain sight.

I know this class is broken:

I AM TRYING TO FIX IT. instead of telling me to delete it, you can recommend something to make it better. The general outline will not change, though.

#10

I’d have to say at a fundimental level it is kind of broken. Cult especially has to really rely on converting as often as possible, Unseen it’s a bit more fuzzy in that it might be in their interest to wait a bit longer and get a conversion that “isn’t likely to be protected” isn’t the first concern.

The fundimental premise of the game, and more or less all games of the sort, is the informed minority vs uninformed majority. The big thing that the unseen and cult have to count on, is that they know 100% who is fully on their team, save the king, and they have a secure chat in which they can co-ordinate their plans.

Trust me one of the highest userbase games of this genre tried really hard to make a role which could see what the uninformed minorty could say etc… and after a year of trying to make it work, they realized they had to take that out.

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#11

How exactly is the unseen supposed to counter this class? The cult can always just use a sacrifice to kill the traitor but the unseen doesn’t have anything like that. In other words how does the unseen kill someone they think is the traitor. Fix that problem before moving on.

#12

We know what ToS is.

#13

Wheres…The…Bleach…

#14

I’m fairly sure that @Simon has it.

#15

NOt… eyebleach… Clorox…

#16

You are not supposed to reply to my posts.

I allow you to because you say you are replying to the content of the posts, not me.

Making bleach jokes isn’t really replying to the content of them, though

#17

Yeah, I already gave it to him in the “ban the dab” post

#18

download

#19

I’m replying that your content makes me want to drink bleach and I’ll gladly quote the mod message if @ThePlex allows me

#20

I received the exact same message as you.