Completely remove Pretender or a overhaul with new objective

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#21

Swingy for the Pretender, either 6 royals spawn or just Prince for instance.

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#22

ANARCHY!

#23

Give it powers based upon how many royals spawn and let it know how many royals spawn
And as royals decrease powers do too.

#24

Itā€™s bad because neutrals all have that objective they can because neutral king but pretender is forced to.

Make it a fun interesting class that has the option.

Also starting neutral king is needed back in the game no matter what people say

#25

Thatā€™s probably a solution for the Pretender in isolation, but I just see hypercomplex class for my eyes now or at least I wouldnā€™t know what implementation this could be.

With 6 royals itā€™s basically a NK then or something? That also feels problematic for balance.

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#26

It really isnā€™t.

#27

Also. You havenā€™t actually answered the question.

Why is needing the King DEAD necessarily bad?

#28

Itā€™s boring compared to other neutrals doesnā€™t allow others to step up because pretender will just get king.

#29

yes it is neutral king wasnā€™t problematic

#30

Become King != Kill king

Why is wanting the starting king dead a problem.

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#31

Because it discourages others becoming king and generally isnā€™t fun

#32

Yes it is problematic.

The Neutral King resolves like a BD King that can suddenly turn Evil at a whim in the late game. Thatā€™s problematic when we are talking about a class who NEEDS to be scumread rather than mechanically confirmed like Alch.

#33

No it doesnā€™t.

#34

Yeah so pretender becomes neutral king?

#35

Lol contradiction 101

#36

yes it does

#37

Elected Kings have every single night prior to being elected to be used for mechanical confirmation.

You shouldnā€™t be electing someone that you havenā€™t already confirmed, or at least think you have confirmed.

#38

No because elected kings are not starting kings.

#39

So? what does that change?

#40

That makes no sense