Conceding early

[Wazza]

no there hasn’t
shush

[Arete]

That’s literally why this thread was started.

[Wazza]

N O

[anon97870008]

Yes reeeeeee

[DatBird]

Maybe eeeeeer

[NuclearBurrito]

Conceding has it’s place. But it’s mostly for situations where the BD have already gamesolved and are just going through the motions until they win.

Conceding D2 or whatever just ruins games.

[Arete]

Also, can we collectively stop using the lack of a concession as evidence? ‘If this gamesolve were correct, scum would have conceded’ is … not the sort of argument people should be using.

[NuclearBurrito]

No please keep doing that.

It makes things very easy for me as scum when I’m being stubborn.

[Geyde]

@KyoDaz

If conceding is every removed I will always dodge setups that state that or just blatantly /out or completely avoid the thread all together in the event I do want to concede.
Removing the ability to concede is tremendously bad.

@anon97870008

Just to explain the tol version, its not because its turbo. It is because everything is considered Gamethrowing which is “going intentionally against your (current) win condition”.

It’s not gamethrowing at all. It’s called knowing when to give up. Some things just can’t be won and aren’t worth the time.
I fully believe the reason that conceding is not an option in ToL is due to it being a turbo.
If it is banned under gamethrowing then it is either

1. The wrong reason of why it should be banned
2. The right reason in the wrong category

It should be banned as it is perfectly reasonable to expect someone to dedicate 5~ minutes while the game solves.

It is absolutely not reasonable to expect someone to dedicate DAYS towards something while the game has already been solved.

Working towards reducing the concede rate is completely fine: I’m actually all for it.

The reason for this is that the only way you reduce concede rates is by having people improve their game which is always positive.

Working towards the removal of the function to concede is absolutely ridiculous and should never even be considered in forum matches that have one phase longer than 24 hours.

The reason for this is that you are not only putting emotional stress onto them (which lasts much less and has a much less chance to build to a severe rate) you are also causing them to feel the need to waste their time, impacting their life and potentially stopping social situations like ect. at a dinner table or even influencing them to decline social invites. You also make the player feel extremely bored and potentially not wanting to participate in future games.

Best post in this thread

[Geyde]

It’s just a bad idea at best.

[Geyde]

@KyoDaz

Actually, now I look on it is it actually considered gamethrowing if you would be able to concede in a turbo match?
That’s actually a hard placement to place a rule. It’s probably the closest thing to it but it’s definitely not accurate.

In turbos, conceding has little point due to short phases

[Arete]

… I’m going to be totally honest, I’m trying to model the mindset necessary to be the sort of person who concedes and failing.

please help

[anon97870008]

Sure. https://forum.imperium42.com/t/official-in-game-rules-read-first/2673

[Hippolytus]

I always instantly concede when I get scum that way I never get lynched.

Perfect record.

[DatBird]

That is why ur the best player here

[Firekitten]

@KyoDaz

It’s not gamethrowing at all. It’s called knowing when to give up. Some things just can’t be won and aren’t worth the time.

http://www.quotehd.com/imagequotes/TopAuthors/henry-ford-quote-whether-you-believe-you-can-do-a-thing-or-not-youre.jpg

[MaximusPrime]

fol =/= tol

fol is based off of tol but i think it’s best to consider them as 2 different games with vastly different playstyles, especially bc fol requires a huge commitment irl and can heavily affect it

[Luxy]

You were the one using this

[Arete]

I’m pretty sure Maxwell was the one who made the original argument

[Maxwell]

No it was all me haha