Corrupt Votes FM - Day 6 (3/15) - Town wins by voting out town

[Aelin]

So what you’re saying is omega duskpost

[Arete]

O_o

I see Leafia typing

hi Leafia, can you answer my question please

[Leafia]

Cloned is another person I’m confident is scum here and I think he’s a much bigger threat right now. Surge is just there at the moment.

[Arete]

why do you see cloned as a bigger threat than Surge?

[Trochilidae]

are you caught up on the thread?

[Arete]

mrrrrr

/vote Wazza

we don’t really have enough agreement on a Leafia wagon for her to be viable, and like I mentioned earlier I think it would be really bad if the top wagon still only had 2 votes

and Leafia’s answer makes enough sense that she could maybe be town here [n.b. for people backreading this D2: this is not me calling her town]

and all the things I found sketchy about Wazza earlier still apply

[Arete]

…do people have thoughts on this?

[Moleland]

I don’t think town Gorta is this bogged down

[Trochilidae]

oh no you’re talking at the thread instead of with it, slap a scumread on ya

i’m still antsy about a Wazza vote, i don’t like his content, and i’m giving consideration to the thought that a 'quick-forming" wagon with no resistance doesn’t necessarily mean the target is town. my earlier reservations still apply though.
so i’m not against it, per se, just not as confident in it as i’d like to be.

[Moleland]

I agree. I love dropping my ‘Lol, Leafia scum’ on her whenever possible, but she’s within her town meta right now.

[Zone_Q11]

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Number
cheese	Leafia, Eli, PKR	3/8
Moleland	Trochi, Light	2/8
Conduit	Surge	1/8
gorta	Moleland	1/8
Leafia	Alice	1/8
Trochi	Insanity	1/8
Wazza	Arete	1/8
[Not Voting]	gorta, Conduit, Wazza, Derps, cheese

EOD is at 2020-10-04T08:00:00Z

[Trochilidae]

question: i know the OP says you must end the day on a vote, but what happens if you don’t?

[Zone_Q11]

Then you would get a strike according to Rule #4.

[Trochilidae]

alright thank you Zone.

Leafia, you’d never answered if you were caught up with the thread or not.
if so, who would be your prime yeet target for the day?

[Arete]

…wait, when did cheese start being the top wagon? he’s a townlean for me at the moment

I’d appreciate if the people voting him take a look at my analysis there

spoilered for length

@Arete

okay, I skimmed cheese’s Iso to try to sort him and I’m feeling pretty okay about him being town

I’m dividing this up point-by-point rather than post-by-post for readability’s sake

the first reason is how he handled his read on me

relevant posts

@clonedcheese

Anyone else getting questionable vibes from Aroot
Seems pretty overzealous
Maybe I just didn’t have enough sleep and any kind of activity looks over the top to me
But

Interaction with Surge, PKR, and Alice seems overacting

@clonedcheese

@Arete

the last one I think is more likely to come from scum. the thing about complaining about the thread being dead is that it’s super easy to do from any alignment’s PoV since it doesn’t require producing any actual content, but it doesn’t actually do anything to make the thread not be dead . additionally, by recognizing that the problem is a problem but not actually doing anything to change it, it points to them willfully not doing anything to change it, rather than just being really busy or something.

question from a student
how is this different (more/less scummy) than not posting at all?

@clonedcheese

@Arete

because if I’m scum in this game it’s basically the easiest possible game of my life

wat
explain por favor

@clonedcheese

In worlds 2 and 3, we have signalling going on; I sense 1 culprit.

/vote Arete

@clonedcheese

my attempt at a bigbrain

@clonedcheese

…ok fair

the first post is near-word-for-word how I’ve seen him handle my slot in previous games, I also think a player at his experience level would be uncomfortable with pushing on a perceived-strong-player (especially given that 90 percent of the game is LHFy)

I think him asking questions to me points to him trying to solve my slot, rather than just trying to make a push on me to look like he’s doing something

I think him actually considering my responses to him and semi-reevaluating also points to him actually trying to solve my slot, wolves tend to have a harder time faking general progressions

also this is a really dumb take but I think his use of small text in P#297 is slightly villagery, it matches how I would expect him to feel about making a read that he’s worried is silly

second reason is kind of dumb but it exists

@clonedcheese

@Trochilidae

oh yeah that’s definitely just my personality and how i talk to people. if someone asks me something i’m able to do, of course i’ll eagerly comply.
it’s D1, any analysis we can make is helpful and i’m more than happy to do it!

Is it just me or did troch take a massive amount of time to write this

I think this post is much more likely to come from a villager, that sort of just-barely-not-angleshooting post is the sort of thing town is much more likely to pick up on than scum is

the last reason I’m sort of conflicted on but I think his push on Alice is more likely to come from town than scum

this reason was one I was kind of hesitant about because, like, in a vacuum focusing a lot on the 3p claim is kind of meh

but I think scum would be less likely to actively push the 3p in this set-up (and more likely to just make a bunch of vaguely performative posts about trying to solve them), I think cheese genuinely believes that the 3p is more likely to scumside and so I think he’s less likely to push her as scum (because why would you push the claimed 3p as scum if you’re expecting them to scumside)

there are also a couple elements of his read on her that I also think are more likely to come from town than from scum

@clonedcheese

3. Alice is scum. Then either they or their teammates would try and convince the noot.

for instance, I think him specifically thinking about worlds where she’s scum as opposed to where she’s neut points to him not having TMI about her neut-ness or lack thereof, like, if scum wants to push on Alice the easiest way to do that is to just be like ‘Alice is claimed non-town and probably siding scum, vote Alice’

I also think (similarly to his read on me) that he would probably not choose to push on Alice as scum, when Alice is a perceived-strong-player

[Moleland]

Agreed, I don’t wanna lynch cheese today

[Leafia]

Not quite yet Troch and it’s because Cloned is clearly trying to mislynch Alice when she’s a selfresolving slot, and I don’t like that. If a not dies, she gets lynched. Bottom line. Until then, there’s absolutely no reason to focus on her and doing so is clearly anti town and likely comes from a scum trying to get rid of a threat to them.

[Trochilidae]

i believe it’s because of his laser-focus on Alice’s slot while barely bothering with anybody else tbh

[Moleland]

A neut can never be mislynched

What about Gorta in regards to this?

[Trochilidae]

there’s less than 30 minutes until EoD, and only about three people are actively here.
this worries me, perhaps the scum are comfortable enough with the current wagons that they don’t even feel the need to be here currently?