Corrupt Votes FM - Day 6 (3/15) - Town wins by voting out town

[PokemonKidRyan]

I bought it today, if you have an issue with that.

[clonedcheese]

Oooh forums are back

@PokemonKidRyan

Cheese, Trochi, Gorta mafia reads.

@an_gorta_pratai

I can kind of see the cheese read

I have yet to hear any case from either of you

[an_gorta_pratai]

I made a semi lazy case on you, but I should look further

[Aelin]

I would like explanations on all of them, but if I had to choose a few I’d say Appel and Derps.

[PokemonKidRyan]

Alright, I have been asked for explanations focused on Appel, Derps, Cheese, Trochi and Gorta.
So I shall do so in a bit.
I wanted to wait for a list first from multiple people.

[Moleland]

Let me explain my thinking.

Thought 1. Was Wazza’s wagon pure?

I’d be shocked.

2. Who is scum on Wazza’s wagon?[quote=“Zone_Q11, post:864, topic:84170”]

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Number
Wazza	Arete (1), Insanity (1), Leafia (1), Conduit (1), Trochi (1), Moleland (1)	6/8

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Leafia, Conduit and Insanity all flipped town.

I’m town

So Arete or Troch is scum.

3. Which scum makes sense in regards to night kills?

Insanity makes sense for either of them.

Leafia… Arete floated them as a scum read… I’m not sure they would kill Leafia next. Troch could maybe kill Leafia.

4. Are they suspicious for other reasons?

Trochs reaction sod to the lynch… I don’t like. They acted all “I told you he was town”. Let’s look at that.

@Trochilidae

i still think Conduit is more likely to be town though. for people that are scumreading him, what things do you think Conduit as a newbtown would be doing differently than now?

@Trochilidae

call me stubborn but i still don’t think Conduit’s wolf here. i see everyone’s reasonings, and i understand them in theory, i just don’t think it’s likely.
however, i will re-iso them just in case there’s something i missed.

@Trochilidae

i would like someone to tell me why Conduit is scum instead of just lost newbie though, because to me his actions make more sense as the latter.

In my opinion, these aren’t to convince anyone to not vote Conduit - but to look good later.

Compare this to our other suspect defending a suspicious cheese.

[quote=“Arete, post:404, topic:84170, full:true”]
okay, I skimmed cheese’s Iso to try to sort him and I’m feeling pretty okay about him being town

I’m dividing this up point-by-point rather than post-by-post for readability’s sake

the first reason is how he handled his read on me

relevant posts

@clonedcheese

Anyone else getting questionable vibes from Aroot

Seems pretty overzealous
Maybe I just didn’t have enough sleep and any kind of activity looks over the top to me
But

Interaction with Surge, PKR, and Alice seems overacting

[quote=“clonedcheese, post:257, topic:84170”]

@Arete

the last one I think is more likely to come from scum. the thing about complaining about the thread being dead is that it’s super easy to do from any alignment’s PoV since it doesn’t require producing any actual content, but it doesn’t actually do anything to make the thread not be dead . additionally, by recognizing that the problem is a problem but not actually doing anything to change it, it points to them willfully not doing anything to change it, rather than just being really busy or something.
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question from a student
how is this different (more/less scummy) than not posting at all?

@clonedcheese

@Arete

because if I’m scum in this game it’s basically the easiest possible game of my life
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wat
explain por favor

@clonedcheese

In worlds 2 and 3, we have signalling going on; I sense 1 culprit.

/vote Arete

@clonedcheese

my attempt at a bigbrain

@clonedcheese

…ok fair

the first post is near-word-for-word how I’ve seen him handle my slot in previous games, I also think a player at his experience level would be uncomfortable with pushing on a perceived-strong-player (especially given that 90 percent of the game is LHFy)

I think him asking questions to me points to him trying to solve my slot, rather than just trying to make a push on me to look like he’s doing something

I think him actually considering my responses to him and semi-reevaluating also points to him actually trying to solve my slot, wolves tend to have a harder time faking general progressions

also this is a really dumb take but I think his use of small text in P#297 is slightly villagery, it matches how I would expect him to feel about making a read that he’s worried is silly

second reason is kind of dumb but it exists

@clonedcheese

@Trochilidae

oh yeah that’s definitely just my personality and how i talk to people. if someone asks me something i’m able to do, of course i’ll eagerly comply.

it’s D1, any analysis we can make is helpful and i’m more than happy to do it!
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Is it just me or did troch take a massive amount of time to write this

I think this post is much more likely to come from a villager, that sort of just-barely-not-angleshooting post is the sort of thing town is much more likely to pick up on than scum is

the last reason I’m sort of conflicted on but I think his push on Alice is more likely to come from town than scum

this reason was one I was kind of hesitant about because, like, in a vacuum focusing a lot on the 3p claim is kind of meh

but I think scum would be less likely to actively push the 3p in this set-up (and more likely to just make a bunch of vaguely performative posts about trying to solve them), I think cheese genuinely believes that the 3p is more likely to scumside and so I think he’s less likely to push her as scum (because why would you push the claimed 3p as scum if you’re expecting them to scumside)

there are also a couple elements of his read on her that I also think are more likely to come from town than from scum

@clonedcheese

3. Alice is scum. Then either they or their teammates would try and convince the noot.

for instance, I think him specifically thinking about worlds where she’s scum as opposed to where she’s neut points to him not having TMI about her neut-ness or lack thereof, like, if scum wants to push on Alice the easiest way to do that is to just be like ‘Alice is claimed non-town and probably siding scum, vote Alice’

I also think (similarly to his read on me) that he would probably not choose to push on Alice as scum, when Alice is a perceived-strong-player

This is rebuttal and an attempt to turn people off a scum read.

This is my logic for why Troch is probably scum.

[Moleland]

fml on broken quotes

[Moleland]

Why am I null?

[Zone_Q11]

@DatBird has subbed in for Trochilidae.

Yadda yadda yadda. Do not discuss replacements.

[Moleland]

@DatBird are you scum?

[DatBird]

you will see in a few posts. In the mean time, I need to know a VC, how much time left in the day and concesnsious poe and try to see if any need to be cleared

[Moleland]

12 hours are left in the day.

You are currently voting me

I’m not sure exact vote count.

[DatBird]

i have not read shit, gonna see what troch left me if any, and go and start trying to catch up. Maybe take a shower, as the TREES delayed me joining

[Moleland]

That’s unfortunate. Troch replaced out at a horrible time for me personally

[Zone_Q11]

@Zone_Q11

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Number
Moleland	Arete, Alice	2/6
cheese	Derps	1/6
Light	Light	1/6
PKR	Surge	1/6
[Not Voting]	gorta, Trochi, Appel, PKR, cheese, Moleland

@Zone_Q11

In other words, until 2020-10-09T08:00:00Z

There are 12 hours and 30 minutes left until EOD.

[Moleland]

Oh, Troch isnt voting for me. My bad

[DatBird]

ok so all i got from troch is that they hated a wagon from 2 days ago that most likely ended on village and they bought triple voter

[clonedcheese]

@Moleland

Thought 1. Was Wazza’s wagon pure?

I’d be shocked.

@Moleland

2. Who is scum on Wazza’s wagon?

@Moleland

Leafia, Conduit and Insanity all flipped town.

I’m town

So Arete or Troch is scum.

I understood up to here

@Moleland

3. Which scum makes sense in regards to night kills?

Insanity makes sense for either of them.

Leafia… Arete floated them as a scum read… I’m not sure they would kill Leafia next. Troch could maybe kill Leafia.

Weak argument, but then again, there’s not really an argument for one over the other, other than maybe the fact that they had a little more interactions with Arete than Troch.

@Moleland

4. Are they suspicious for other reasons?

Here’s where I start to dislike

@Moleland

In my opinion, these aren’t to convince anyone to not vote Conduit - but to look good later.

@Moleland can you describe what exactly made you feel this way?

[Zone_Q11]

@Zone_Q11

Apparently some posts were also lost in the process of maintenance, so if you voted someone else before, you need to vote them again.

FYI, I do remember Alice voting Derps, but I kinda need her to do that again to make it official.

[DatBird]

@an_gorta_pratai @Appelsiini @PokemonKidRyan @clonedcheese @Moleland
yall are not voting, one why, two even if you dont vote this second who would u vote. Trying to analyse thread state.

i for one am not voting as i dont have shit read, but i hate the no vote club so i prob will vote mid catchup