Ah, well, if it is then I apologise but I did not realise that it was.
also I don’t actually think ‘the neut is pushing someone’ is evidence that that someone is town
if the neut is scumsiding (this is not a comment on if I think they are) then they still wouldn’t magically know who was scum
I was saying “the noot is pushing someone therefore I think the noot thinks they’re town”
which is >nothing because maybe noot found some signals earlier on
Actually, I’m pushing PKR because they’re the only person I haven’t found anything that would convince me they are town.
Ok, fair enough. I can see your thought process here.
But my question is this: why would you put that much weight into my reads?
I think it’s already established that I’m a neutral and that even if I were scum-sided, I’d be a LW. My reads are just as much of an uncertainty as everyone else’s, maybe even worse, considering I only subbed in on day 4. Why are you so convinced that PKR is a mislynch simply because I hypothetically reverse-scumread them?
Yeah, I’m sorry. I’ve been told I can sometimes sound condescending without meaning to.
Surge’s death + the fact that I have TRs or TLs on everyone except you made me convinced you are the last scum. However, that doesn’t mean I’ll just ignore all arguments against yeeting you completely. I just feel that the argument “I can’t be scum because if I was, I would’ve given up already” isn’t very convincing.
I can understand that, I suppose but if you have seen me before then you should know that I am like almost always scummy so I do ask that you try to consider the level of scuminess or whatnot.
I currently will be fully transparent. I took triplevoter last night.
So basically I am all in today.
I will only have 1 coin if I go on a wagon today and it is lynched.
This means I will have no future vote power.
I don’t anyone’s meta because I’ve never played with anyone here before so I won’t be relying on meta at all, including yours. I also don’t know how much I can trust a self-meta info.
Can you elaborate more on why your top SRs are Appel and Gorta?
Literally everyone else makes no sense.
There are 3 others.
Yourself, Arete and Cloned.
You are the neut, so skip.
Arete just has done too much to be scum imo.
Cloned today is trying so hard to save things for town when they could have gotten an easy ML on me if they are scum.
what is the difference between lylo and mylo?
That’s true, but if they have the wolf socially they can try to tie the vote today
screw meta, meta only works on a few people here
I don’t think Cloned busses his second teammate instead of piling on Arete
First of all this seems like an admission of guilt 
The fact that you’re voting for PKR is just another reason why i think PKR is town, i have other ones
…i piled onto Arete though?
Im confused as what you’re trying to say here
Currently we have Arete, PKR, gorta, and Appel on the table.
lemon
I think lemon is scum here, most importantly for their vote on PKR first thing today with the note “gg town” - i really cant see this as anything else than an invitation for scum to vote similarly. Why would anyone vote so quickly on something they realize is simply “you’re the only one i dont have a read on” and not take the vote down after their positions have softened?
I dont see much point debating this, we kill lemon tmrw if we survive tonight.
Up until EoD4, the point totals of these indivduals should be:
Arete - 10 + 1 - 5 + 1 - 2 + 1 +1 = 7
Gorta - 10 - 5 + 1 - 2 + 1 + 1 = 6
PKR - 10 - 5 = 5
Appel - 10 - 5 + 1 = 6
And if scum did their check, they would’ve and could’ve checked d2: of the 4 above, all except appel acted n2, but light also did not act, so from there scum is exactly appel or light did the check.
None of the above can votesteal, so they couldnt have just won by votestealing.
Possible contingency points for each individual, at least for me:
arete
- NKA - 2 individuals that did/could have read them as scum is dead, and they are alive as probably the strongest player
- Strawman - they fiercely defended themselves last night, but went to lengths to represent me/gorta’s views as negative, which usually does not come from a logical individual like arete.
- Mole push - their initial suspicion + argument on mole were not as stably founded as other previous ones.
gorta
- Questionable vote - they voted, near last-minute, on moleland with absolutely 0 explanation at the time.
- Quick agreements - throughout the game, regardless of the geniuneness of my scumread on arete, gorta has consistently been quite enthusiastic about pursuing it.
PKR
- NKA - Surge is indeed the only individual that extremely strongly scumread PKR.
- Refusal to cooperate with points - they have acted independently in terms of purchasing votes, which would potentially have confirmed him if he had followed the plans. He went to lengths to argue that he had purchased a triplevote when he hadn’t.
- Inactivity - when Light/Arete was being voted on, they were absent, completely away from the thread.
Appel/Eli
- …I really don’t have anything that comes to mind here
Arete #1 and 3 are excusable to scum tactics/personal mishap
Gorta #1 has been explained, although not extremely fully.
PKR #1 is excusable to scum tactics, and PKR #3 isn’t even a valid argument; if it is, it’s an argument for their towniness.
So at this point, looking at the current evidence, I have the above order as greatest/least likely to be scum. If anyone has additional arguments (or any for Appel, help), please respond
unrelated quesiton
do any of you ever have the feeling where you think “wow i would be a god if I was doing this as scum right now”
I’m going to go look at interactions on each of those with Light, as well as any possible point of signaling.
Be back in a few hours
LyLo = execute or lose, you have to execute a wolf or you lose
MyLo = misexecute and lose, if you no-exe town can still win
it’s complicated in this game because of vote mechanics
I’m kind of confused by this point given that cloned did in fact vote me (like I think cloned is a villager but)
okay
okay I could be really dumb here
but
someone stole Seth’s vote N2, and it’s impossible to buy multiple things during the same cycle, if the person who did it was town they would have claimed it by now
so if we’re assuming that scum actually did check Lemon’s points does that mean the last wolf has to just be Appel?
this is probably dumb and there’s something that I’m missing but
From reading individuals
Current top scum:
Me: Arete
Arete: PKR
Lemon: PKR
PKR: Appel
Gorta: Appel (I think)
right that was a thing
so
The stealer, mechanically, cannot be Arete, gorta, PKR
This also happens to be the night that scum would’ve checked Alice’s alignment
so the only one alive that could’ve stole surge’s vote is appel or Alice
And because Surge was not notified, it was not a votesteal
so basically we have appel or alice scum
…doesn’t tell us much
who did Surge scumread D2?
there’s 2 other possibilities
- Exactly Datbird stole the vote and wasn’t able to communicate that he stole first thing in the morning
- Exactly Alice stole the vote
…neither of which seems plausible
…but then again in what world do you steal a vote from Seth