This is what I did with everyone. I don’t see how the fact that I also did this with Light make it wolfy.
But you yourself said there was no conclusion, didn’t you? That colour post was low-effort because I didn’t feel like going through all the effort which would take even longer, and wanted to try something creative.
A lot of the good points negate the bad points. Did you not see that, or did you not realize it? That’s part of what made me more inclined to townlean him.
That would be because he was the person I thought was the most likely to flip town, and he was the main wagon. Why wouldn’t I do that? I wasn’t too active during D3 and had no read on Mole, and thought PKR was the most likely person to flip W yesterday. The fact is that it really doesn’t make sense for me to do with this other people because of the circumstances with Mole & PKR.
the problem isn’t that you asked Light questions about his reads
the problem is that you pointed out the wolfy things he did but never pressed him on it or considered it a point against him
yes
that is indeed part of the problem I have with your post, and separately does not negate the issues I have with it
no, I legitimately didn’t
I know I have the benefit of hindsight bias here, but when I look at your ‘every good and bad thing’ wallpost, the red points seem a lot stronger than the green ones. I know some of the green points are cancelling out previous red points, but when I look holistically at all the points you raised I do not see how the conclusion those points lead you to is ‘Light is town’
no, the person you thought most likely to flip town was me
and yet there’s a substantial difference in how you treated people’s reads and pushes on Light, and how you treated people’s reads and pushes on me (which tbf you did at least semi-interact with occasionally, albeit mostly to shade them for it)
Yes, and that was the deal-breaker which lead me to vote Light when I saw you were actually going to die if I didn’t. The point of time we’re talking about is when you weren’t even being wagoned, for what I can remember.
this is how you handled the fact that other people were scumreading Light
[quote=“Arete, post:3180, topic:84170”]
How Appel handled the fact that other people were scumreading Light
Appel has several interactions that feel like she’s trying to talk people out of scumreading Light (tbf this might partially be confbias on my part)
like this one – I was pushing Light at the time, and I feel like she was trying to get me to come up with reasons to doubt the read
this is how you responded to pushes on me (this is everything relevant I could find, but maybe I missed something, please point it out if so)
overall, you were much more focused on shutting down pushes on Light, despite the fact that he was in the PoE, and separately much more concerned in general about the fact that he was being wagoned
the second question in particular is … I honestly have no idea why it exists, other than … to try to make Gorta doubt his push on Light, because I was voting Light? despite the fact that you townread me? like I feel like it can’t possibly be that obvious but
alright
so
both Arete and Appel are in their scum metas
Arete
Arete enjoys being extremely aggressive
hence why they are quite easily caught by more experienced players when they are scum. they said themselves that it’s easy to tell:
Due to inherent high post volume + aggression, once things go wrong they go wrong fast.
If they are scum, this would be the game that everything’s clicking together for them.
Appel
Appel’s usually the “sit back and watch the show” kind - they watch the game from a third person view, analyze everything, and doesn’t take sides until necessary. I saw their scumplay firsthand in SFV and one other game, and they’ve shown similarities in other games I’ve played with them - their play doesn’t change by much and they are still analytical, but every attack, every question, and every defense is coordinated in advance.
The second part is problematic, in that her post on Light showing his goods and bads are the kind of defense/attack that she would do: in the scumchat, presumably, she said something along the lines of “Ima lightly push you and point out wrong things, let’s se where that goes”
haha get it, “lightly” push? get it? please? haha…
But because of the first part, I have a hard time seeing Appel as scum. They don’t become aggressive and pushy until necessary - MyLo would definitely fit that bill. But even in MyLo, they are still carefully considering between Arete and Gorta, coming to an Arete conclusion with a line of logic I can follow; this seems to me a townie generally lost between the two, reanalyzing, and coming to a conclusion. Sure they may be reserved and stand-back-y as scum, but I feel like they would’ve been a little more agressive during MyLo than they have been.
TL;DR: Appel is still analyzing and slowly coming to a conclusion even at MyLo, while Arete is acting aggessively, similar to calling for the Derps lynch. I find the second one to be more fitting of scum behavior, even after accounting for both parties’ usual behaviors.
uh
hm
math tells us that even if one of us is mafia this doesn’t really happen
what does this tell us about arete
no fucking clue
but I think he TMI’d something regarding their points/votepurchase/whatever
like … she’s been trying to keep her options open all day, and she only made anything resembling any semblance of a conclusion once it became clear that I was almost always voting her here
at which point she proceeded to ignore her previous reads and decide that I’m the most likely wolf more-or-less on the basis that I’m pushing her
I don’t think you’re seeing this, but I did the exact same thing with you/Gorta/Cloned. I question how they feel about things, and if they see anything that doesn’t fit their world view. Obviously the main wagon is going to be on my mind more, but I also did it with you.
