Corrupt Votes FM - Day 6 (3/15) - Town wins by voting out town

[Trochilidae]

question, are you scumreading anyone who’s defending Conduit or just Arete specifically?
if it’s the latter, why am i not included?

[ChopChop]

Arete also wanted to CFD onto Leafia before as well when Wazza was being Voted but he couldn’t receive enough votes and even admitted it publicly lol.

[ChopChop]

@Trochilidae

question, are you scumreading anyone who’s defending Conduit or just Arete specifically?
if it’s the latter, why am i not included?

Arete has shown to me he is Scum with Conduit.
He’s not treating him as he normally would.
He’s treating him like he’s trying to protect him like he is buddies with him.

[ChopChop]

He will never vote Conduit so that’s why I gave him a 5th option.

[ChopChop]

@ChopChop

@Arete
You have 5 options RN.
You either
1)Vote Conduit
2)Vote Conduit
3)Vote Conduit
4)Vote Conduit then Shit Post
5)Lock Town Conduit and Hard Defend them.

Let’s see which he will pick.

[Trochilidae]

alright, how would town!Arete treat Conduit then? i’m trying to understand your thought process here.

[Arete]

I AM NOT TRYING TO CFD LEAFIA

ARE YOU EVEN READING MY POSTS

[ChopChop]

I mean Arete is already implying that he won’t vote him ever so he might as well Lock Town Em/Clear Em.

[ChopChop]

@Arete

@Leafia

No idea why you’d want to CFD to me Arete. What makes you so certain that Cheese is town anyway?

I had been unsure on you because of the thing I saw as inconsistent about your voting

once you explained it to me that made me feel better about your slot, and I don’t particularly want to vote you out anymore

my original readoning for why cloned is town

@Arete

okay, I skimmed cheese’s Iso to try to sort him and I’m feeling pretty okay about him being town

I’m dividing this up point-by-point rather than post-by-post for readability’s sake

the first reason is how he handled his read on me

relevant posts

@clonedcheese

Anyone else getting questionable vibes from Aroot
Seems pretty overzealous
Maybe I just didn’t have enough sleep and any kind of activity looks over the top to me
But

Interaction with Surge, PKR, and Alice seems overacting

@clonedcheese

@Arete

the last one I think is more likely to come from scum. the thing about complaining about the thread being dead is that it’s super easy to do from any alignment’s PoV since it doesn’t require producing any actual content, but it doesn’t actually do anything to make the thread not be dead . additionally, by recognizing that the problem is a problem but not actually doing anything to change it, it points to them willfully not doing anything to change it, rather than just being really busy or something.

question from a student
how is this different (more/less scummy) than not posting at all?

@clonedcheese

@Arete

because if I’m scum in this game it’s basically the easiest possible game of my life

wat
explain por favor

@clonedcheese

In worlds 2 and 3, we have signalling going on; I sense 1 culprit.

/vote Arete

@clonedcheese

my attempt at a bigbrain

@clonedcheese

…ok fair

the first post is near-word-for-word how I’ve seen him handle my slot in previous games, I also think a player at his experience level would be uncomfortable with pushing on a perceived-strong-player (especially given that 90 percent of the game is LHFy)

I think him asking questions to me points to him trying to solve my slot, rather than just trying to make a push on me to look like he’s doing something

I think him actually considering my responses to him and semi-reevaluating also points to him actually trying to solve my slot, wolves tend to have a harder time faking general progressions

also this is a really dumb take but I think his use of small text in P#297 is slightly villagery, it matches how I would expect him to feel about making a read that he’s worried is silly

second reason is kind of dumb but it exists

@clonedcheese

@Trochilidae

oh yeah that’s definitely just my personality and how i talk to people. if someone asks me something i’m able to do, of course i’ll eagerly comply.
it’s D1, any analysis we can make is helpful and i’m more than happy to do it!

Is it just me or did troch take a massive amount of time to write this

I think this post is much more likely to come from a villager, that sort of just-barely-not-angleshooting post is the sort of thing town is much more likely to pick up on than scum is

the last reason I’m sort of conflicted on but I think his push on Alice is more likely to come from town than scum

this reason was one I was kind of hesitant about because, like, in a vacuum focusing a lot on the 3p claim is kind of meh

but I think scum would be less likely to actively push the 3p in this set-up (and more likely to just make a bunch of vaguely performative posts about trying to solve them), I think cheese genuinely believes that the 3p is more likely to scumside and so I think he’s less likely to push her as scum (because why would you push the claimed 3p as scum if you’re expecting them to scumside)

there are also a couple elements of his read on her that I also think are more likely to come from town than from scum

@clonedcheese

3. Alice is scum. Then either they or their teammates would try and convince the noot.

for instance, I think him specifically thinking about worlds where she’s scum as opposed to where she’s neut points to him not having TMI about her neut-ness or lack thereof, like, if scum wants to push on Alice the easiest way to do that is to just be like ‘Alice is claimed non-town and probably siding scum, vote Alice’

I also think (similarly to his read on me) that he would probably not choose to push on Alice as scum, when Alice is a perceived-strong-player

You are implying a CFD. Your just not directing it. If someone voted Leafia you would always join them on it.

[Arete]

…

…

I was discussing the thing I had tried to do yesterday

not saying I wanted to do it today

[Arete]

I literally do not know how it’s possible to be as mind-bogglingly irrational as you are being right now

like

I had better reading comprehension in kindergarten than you are displaying right now

[ChopChop]

@Trochilidae

alright, how would town!Arete treat Conduit then? i’m trying to understand your thought process here.

I feel he would a put more time in conversation with them and gave more of a read on him and asked allot more questions and not use me as an excuse not to vote him.

[Trochilidae]

this doesn’t answer my question

how would Arete, if town, treat Conduit differently than they are right now?
you say you townread me, what am i doing differently in my defense of Conduit to deserve this townread?

[Trochilidae]

oh
i got ninja’d

alright i can better see where you’re coming from now. mind answering my second question though?

[ChopChop]

Your Tone. Doesn’t come from a Scum PoV.

[Trochilidae]

to be fair, i’ve been tunneled by you wrongly based on “tone” in WYM so you can see why i’m skeptical here.

[Moleland]

@Arete

[Arete]

hi Mole

(for the benefit of Seth: I’m trying to sort Mole here, not Conduit)

roughly how confident would you say you are in your Conduit read? like percentage wise, if you had to choose a number

[Moleland]

75% I’d say.

[Arete]

okay

how exactly did your read on him come about? like what trails of thought were you following that led you to Conduit, if that makes sense (I can rephrase if you want)