Corrupt Votes FM - Day 6 (3/15) - Town wins by voting out town

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Appelsiini

The nightkill would make the most sense from Gorta because I townleaned him in my ISO, Arete townreads him and scumreads me, and Cloned scumreads Arete. Having Lemon die doesn’t reveal any info, so it would be a very safe choice for him, as we’re busy reading each other.

Here’s what happens if I am a wolf. I kill Cloned, push Arete, and would have the support to get rid of Arete because the NKs would look extremely bad for Arete in this situation. I don’t think we have ever been scum together, but I am a strategist. If I am framing Arete I kill Cloned. The whole thing of being a scum is pushing a narrative and making up information that supports it. The Lemon kill does not make sense from a scum!gorta world here.

@Arete

I think the nightkill (and more broadly, the nightkills this game in general ) are more likely to come from you than from Gorta because for lack of a better way to phrase it Gorta makes very boring nightkills and the nightkills have not been boring

like, to explain what I mean, when Gorta was deciding non-PR-related nightkills in SFoL 64 he basically just suggested or ‘kill the town leaders/consensus townies/SPKs’ (or made PR-related kills
(n.b. these aren’t the kills that ended up happening but this is to give an idea of his thought process)

I do play safer because it’s very easy to lynch Leafia and most of the times people won’t listen to Leafia, so why would I kill that. I take down the town leaders and try to take their place. If I can’t take their place I try to let the town go crazy and implode.

@Arete

I don’t think Gorta really considers making those nightkills in the first place as scum

I wouldn’t kill you or Appel here as scum for reasons I have stated above

@Appelsiini

and killing anyone else would actually be straight up unoptimal for Gorta.

Why wouldn’t I kill cloned and frame Arete even more? I could convince you and Lemon to vote Arete if Cloned died and I am sure of that because if Cloned was killed it looks terrible for Arete.

[an_gorta_pratai]

anyway, I am back from job stuff, so if anyone wants to talk just say so

[Arete]

I’m back

working on typing up my current thoughts but happy to try to discuss things with other people if anyone’s around

[clonedcheese]

im around
although i shouldn’t be

you can ask

[Arete]

where’s your head at

[clonedcheese]

currently at “I think it’s Appel and I think I tried enough with you to not get yelled at after game”

[clonedcheese]

at this point i think it’s not gorta
and I don’t really have time to consider that world

things from today:

@Arete

I think the nightkill (and more broadly, the nightkills this game in general ) are more likely to come from you than from Gorta because for lack of a better way to phrase it Gorta makes very boring nightkills and the nightkills have not been boring

like, to explain what I mean, when Gorta was deciding non-PR-related nightkills in SFoL 64 he basically just suggested or ‘kill the town leaders/consensus townies/SPKs’ (or made PR-related kills
(n.b. these aren’t the kills that ended up happening but this is to give an idea of his thought process)

not the best argument but has the line of logic
the initial assumption of NKA actually being useful instead of being a “who can think one more step ahead of everyone else” is wrong here
but nothing that is damning here; might be more evidence for poor reasoning to kill Appel

@Arete

the obvious thing that’s making me slightly hesitant is that I’m still alive even though I’ve been tunnelling you, but I think that makes sense when considering the fact that cloned is tunnelled on me and Gorta has been Strongly Considering me, so leaving me alive in the hopes that I get miscuddled makes sense even if I’m right

my point on above
NKA is BS because you could’ve thought all of this as scum already

Looking at past activity
Arete has consistently bussed their teammates, if they are indeed scum
Appel has done the exact opposite
…which is within both people’s scumgames
mrrrrr

@Arete

I want you to vote first (typically in a MyLo/LyLo situation with locked votes it’s beneficial to have wolfier players vote earlier, not sure if that applies in this situation but it seems like it can’t hurt)

I
dislike this

[clonedcheese]

@Appelsiini

Right now Arete has had some wolf-equity the whole game, but ALSO a lot of town-equity, even if I don’t like the way they immediately jumped to almost locking me as scum even before they analysed the nightkill.

Whereas Gorta has had a lot of wolf-equity during the early game, and the only saving point is them pushing Light during EoD4 or so – and it’s actually bigger than it sounds like. That’s as far as I read. Their behavior towards their read on me/Arete during yesterday’s EoD, and their sudden flip is definitely something to be considered, ans I’ll take a look at it today.

reason here for Appel going up my scumlist:
this feels like they’re leaving both doors open, ready to jump on either wagons as votes start rolling in

plus the whole points thing

[Arete]

are there like

questions you have for me about my play or whatever

that could help you sort my slot

or not really

[clonedcheese]

@Arete @an_gorta_pratai
And appel when you come back, not pinging yet

Ima vote last

Arete and appel, do you just wanna lock votes on each other or nah

[clonedcheese]

there are probably questions that will help but I don’t know what they are

[clonedcheese]

proposition:
tie votes on me + gorta, and let RNGsus take the wheel

[Arete]

I’m waiting for Appel to come back to the game thread before I vote

[Arete]

relies on people telling the truth about how many votes they have

also relies on the last wolf not having … randomly purchased Hammerer on you or Gorta … which would admittedly be weird for them to do

[an_gorta_pratai]

@clonedcheese

proposition:
tie votes on me + gorta, and let RNGsus take the wheel

We need to take a chance and decide on an execution today

[an_gorta_pratai]

If we tie the vote on me and cloned I feel like thats always tvt and then we just lose

[clonedcheese]

that’s the point

[clonedcheese]

if we do happen to tie between us
then we hve exactly 50% chance of winning

…which I see approximately as good as our current chances

[Arete]

@Zone_Q11

In cases of a tie, the executions will be determined randomly among the players outside the tie.

(that said I think this is a dumb idea)

[clonedcheese]

is that just what zone does in all of his games lmao