Court Wizard rework(Unknown version; Version 2)

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#21

Only MW and Fool/Scorned frames? No there is more.

#22

Drug, Mindwarp and Frame. Are you happy now? ToL dosenā€™t have too many framing things.

#23

yeah ok sage in works

#24

who said framing only.

#25

And Brotherhood and Dark Wisp. Which are not that commonly used anyway.

#26

Itā€™s far too situational. Framing and godfatherising are nowhere near as common as they are in ToS and other Mafia games. Plus, why would you not use it on Sheriff/Paladin immediately?

#27

You need to find out the invests, of course.
And yes it is not very OP.
Butā€¦ there are 3 potentially powerful abilities here.

#28

And they are all potentially powerful swingy abilities. Swing is a bad thing, because if ToL gets much more swingy than it is currently itā€™ll be a BD or Evil stomp every single game with no inbetween.

#29

Also Invigorating Sacrifice is still not worth dying for. Itā€™s far too rarely useful to warrant such a ridiculous commitment.

#30

well guess whatā€¦ as much as Iā€™d like to use non-confirmable and not swingy abilitiesā€¦
they wonā€™t get accepted.

#31

You can make a non-swingy support ability that isnā€™t boring. Just look at Phys.

#32

Healing is swingy.
Very swingy.

#33

Healing shifts the game back by one kill in a game with 3kpn with the faction + NK

#34

No itā€™s not. Healing is consistently good. Thereā€™s a difference between an ability that always does something and a swingy ability.

Protection isnā€™t swingy in itself, itā€™s just a protection that very rarely happens but is really good is what we call sinwgy.

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#35

Ok, next question. Why is Mind Net swingy?

#36

Because it has a low probability of success and a high impact when it does.

#37

Letā€™s see. In orer for it to trigger, a few conditions have to be met:

  • The converter has been netted
  • The convertee has been netted
  • Neither of them have died

If these 3 conditions are triggered, which are hard conditons to predict all at once, bearing in mind, this happens:

  • Convertee becomes convert immune
  • A smart CW can figure out that this happened and catch the converter

Except by then the converterā€™s probably dead and the converteeā€™s probably been stabbed because of how long it took you to set up and make the net. So itā€™s probably not going to make much diffference most of the time, except in that 1 in 10 case when you figure all of this out before the rest of the BD does and the kills fail, youā€™ve got a confirmed BD permanently and a confirmed evil.

QED: Itā€™s swingy,
Now, I have to go right now. Iā€™ll get on with reviewing all the reworks when I get back.

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#38

You have no idea how many games youā€™re going to see a CW just say
ā€œYoloā€
and do this n1 so they can leave and get another game, making the NK or Assassin ignore death immunities.

#39

Ok that one was not so good. How is this then?

#40

Besides SoF how are these useful on Unseen?