Who are the top wagons right now
wait when the fuck is eod
nevermind ill figure it out myself
I was just thinking, in the emporors new groove when he’s like, your hair sucks but the rest of the girls were to do with the face or just generic yikes, he could’ve just made them style their hair differently.
anyways
sup?
And yes, that was honest to god the first thought in my head when I woke up
unsure if you’re aware, but you can quote posts easily by highlighting the text, and clicking the quote button
or if you dont want to multiquote and just quote a single thing you’re responding to you can click the speech bubble in the corner of the reply box
shameless plug of my crappy guide lol:
only quoting part of this so i dont clutter too much
but please dont edit posts during games ^^
i genuinely have zero clue what you’re talking about
can you quote it or something lol
mood
minus the dinosaur part
only been playing for a year and a half-ish lmao
but my scumgame isn’t that good. love towning
11am edt
So I skimmed Henry Stickmin for min town. Golden Wind for wolf.
The problem with ISOing these games is that min often one-liners or replies to posts without the quotes (plus their tone is kinda consistent through each game) so it’s really hard to figure out the context on what they’re responding to
That being said, in the Henry Stickman game they actually do quotewall a little bit, and like they actually do have solid progressions for reads (like with Arctic and Marl).
In the Golden Wind game I feel like they fluff a lot more, and their progressions on their reads is pretty nonexistent or bad. They throw around a lot of naked votes (PKR, Nutella) and they don’t… reallly bother to interrogate people they’re scumreading?
I only looked at like the first 200 posts of each game but I hope this is accurate lmao
I’d say thats accurate.
How do those games compare to this one in your opinion though?
@Prophylaxis
The only thing I found is their on Windward because tone, and Windward telling them not do that
but I am also curious what they are looking for in Zone, and why Kaif got a TWTBAW vibe
@Aelin
@min
ok
Will get to that soon
I can’t concentrate at all right now so I’m gonna take a break and then post a little more later
ping pong
Yeah I know how to do both of those things, it’s just that it’s inconvenient to quote like this when I’m writing a post in one window and then scrolling/reading the thread in the other. You get the reply box on the window you’re using to scroll the thread and eeesh
@min
Ok to be fair, the last time I played with you I was a wolf, and you had a good claim that made you untouchable, so maybe without the TMI I’m just noticing your posts more, but thinking back to that game, you weren’t super consistent in terms of thoughts after day 1, but still kinda came back in spurts, so you are probably just fine here
Kewl
most recent votecount is 11h ago
ok
this is fine
A funny cat video
Early Blitz ISO is mostly negligible, emotion doesn’t really feel fake but they don’t take it anywhere.
First vote, 665. Reasoning feels more like poking for a reason than an actual reason for a vote, which, in the specific context of Zone wanting him to give a vote, is towny IMO because it doesn’t feel like agenda.
Gave own thought which is
actually not terrible? Provides a decent reason for the action, and while this has potential W/W equity I’m pretty sure Guillo is V so the shielding doesn’t seem to make sense unless he was specifically a scum who thought Guillo was weak and was white knighting
This feels kinda awkward
This looks good, especially with PKR’s green flip, because this is a pretty good thing to see and I’m not really sure why he would go for this/bring it up if it was W/V
actually feels like blitz is trying to interact with me and figure out where I’m at
mhm
Would like to see a follow-up on this
Trying to read Zone is like thinking you can read Old English just because you can read English
Good EoD interactions
this feels like
so random that i dont think a wolf would fake it?
like
most wolves would go “oh theyre claiming masons and they are/aren’t in wolf chat with us therefore they’re wolves/town”
Lines up logically speaking
then he has a big ol readpost which im not going to go through but it gives a lot of reads, most of which being town, which i feel heavily reduces their agenda pool if they’re scum and it’s pretty good reasoning regardless
says this but he’s not with me on the wiisp wagon
WIISP AND I ARE THUNDERDOMED
I AM SAYING HE IS LYING ABOUT HIS FLAVOR
why is nobody doing anything about this
argues against a non-W/W read, although this is mostly meaningless due to Tilga’s flip
would like to see more on this please
i might just have low standards for townplay but this gets a from me
in my experience
scum… usually don’t go “okay yeah kill me i was going to fakeclaim but im literally fine as a lynch with minimal drawbacks”
I think this is… pretty likely imo? This is the kinda angleshooty bit I was talking about earlier
but while I was in thread someone (Silviu?) made a readslist that had “The third mason” in it but not kaif, which he then quickedited
so its possible that someone or multiple someones around that time are on the scumteam
i was also personally thinking that kaif was the third mason but potato potato
This overall feels just like
pushing blame away and going “everyone is townie lol” which i dont like
TL:DR - Blitz overall is a townlean, which lines up with my gutread from earlier
He seems slightly demotivated and busy today, yeah, but that’s reasonable after four town flips
i know im fucking demoivated
there is a bit of sketchiness in some of his posts and a decent bit of questionable shit in his posts today which is why its not a townread
but overall… people should not be on blitz
or just ignore me, i guess…
Another cat video
Chloe subbed in today
should be relatively few posts, right?
sees 223 posts
cries
looks like theyre looking for whats going on
theyve had a decent focus on the poe of the days
this post is kinda yucky
somewhat because it feels belitting
somewhat because it cant be proved
. . .
lines up with earlier question about kaif
although in the context of “conversation about who is sus because of the kaif kill” this has shield-potential, especially since Chloe doesn’t add much of their own
Where is this read at now?
yolo is about where im at
although i should probably reread their ass
Why aren’t you just asking
y’know
the (person? people? i remember people saying someone claimed the third mason but i cant remember who it is for the life of me)
This sounds like a shitty post, but I actually like it because
with the knowledge of the meta on marl this actually does make sense
mood
This is a very good point
I would say Chloe/Wiisp not W/W from this but
she doesn’t go anywhere with it??
yay brain is trying to preflip in the absence of reliable tone
this sure is great cries
A lot of posts so not quoting but
the read on Helz feels like its real but I’d need to actually read Helz in order to give full thoughts on it
so, vaguely towny but I can’t really say how valid it is
I really dislike how you went about this and pinging exactly me and mentioning exactly Wind
please dont feed the paranoia
also, yes but NAI
Its not much but from what little I’ve read I think Wind is a villager probably more confidently than i should - but shrug. This doesnt feel like her wolfgame
She’ll probably call this pocketey but i genuinely dont care
I need a foundation and people i can work with
Shrugze
This post in particular is bursting with awkwardness and self-awareness and I hate it
Blitz on this last ‘page’ has felt extremely tonally pure and i wanna hug them
If anyone knows what their wolfgame looks like I’d appreciate some insight
Gut says villabro just off of vibez
Do you still feel this way? Stronger or weaker if so?
Yes
You would have partners who might have wanted him dead for one reason or another, and you arent selfish enough to leave someone alive just so you can pocket them in a hood
Possible he claimed to have a strong role and you took the bait
I dont think either of these happened but they’re all worlds that could exist yeah
This post as well also feels kinda weird, and… I’m not actually really sure why? There’s just something wrong with it
btw
i know this is extremely stupid
but a babysitter claim makes my mind immediately think ‘3p!!!’
for no reason other than the fact that i claimed babysitter in my last game, and i was 3p
easy role to skate by and live to endgame with
strong yet believable enough that villagers probably won’t elim you for it
and has enough wifom / potential harm to wolves that you very likely wont get nightkilled
if i had to dartboard a scumteam
based off of like
literally nothingit’d be something like
helz/wiisp/guillo/proph/merc
gimme postgame cred
you say this
but iirc you have wiisp as like
towncore or townread or something
ill keep my eye out for further on this but, blatantly contradicting myself from earlier
this actually has a decent bit of partner equity if Wiisp flips W
i townread wind and i’d like to think i have above average accuracy reading her
its easy to skew it as wolfy pocketing but when you sub into a game with 6 thousand posts and havent read much at all, its only natural to try to find people you trust to bounce ideas off of
so my first instinct was to attempt to gauge wind’s alignment since i feel pretty comfortable doing so
(also, for the record, im definitely pocketing her, but im not a wolf :^) )
Once again, this post feels awkward but there’s nothing in it on a micro level that feels awkward so im not really sure where this is coming from but that almost
makes it worse
for someone saying i made an ass out of myself for not reading it sure looks like you havent read my posts yourself lol
i townread her
subconsciously gets pocketed by sassy chloe
i should resist but i… dont want to
hnng
i want chloe to be town
who could have seen this coming
however, this is feeling a bit more like shade than just normal sass
in a game with a babysitter
the treatment of wiisp is
extremely inconsistent and giving me paranoia
i dont go over today
and anyone who has played with me knows this
you’re wasting time on meglgl
… and this post makes me want to vomit
what the fuuuuuuck
she then has a… decent post about EoD2 which does fit in with whats going on around it
so i like that
not going to quote it individually but it has a few good points and questions and doesn’t do the thing of not making any reads/not talking about any of their reads and really just trying to manipulate it to their agenda
good post btw
i’ll dissect it more in a bit since i’ve gotta dip for a little while
dont mind this im just saving it in case
big post on helz feels good except for
I townread her, and I know she has a loud voice, and I assume shes widely townread because I found her pretty quickly
this little part
its relatively small but so is the amount of botulinum needed to kill someone but I really don’t like it just because
theres the irony of being subtly pockety and an air of superiority in a post talking about blatantly admitting to pocketing wind
ftr i have zero clue how to read this spreadsheet
both ways i’ve tried reading it its wrong regarding my slot lmao
unless its using erika’s reads rather than mine
brain being stupid
but the fact that chloe is actually looking at the spreadsheet of the person shes trying to solve and 1) sees that its wrong and 2) gives a reason for why it could be wrong
feels like she actually cares?
hnng
Why couldnt i have been playing this game from the start
Hurts my brain to not have felt the things that were going on in realtime
I feel like i have no emotional connection to the game and its weird and hard to
Do
Things
god this is a mood
Just read some of it
I think her progression from wanting to resolve Blitz because her wagon picked up traction quickly → to now seeing a world where Blitz is a villager
Is a good look?Her thought process is pretty transparent and I feel like I can feel her frustration and annoyance and confusion
Just from memory I remember merc struggles with TMI as a wolf and I don’t think that would be as smooth and… realistic… if she was woofin
She feels like easy pickins
Designated ML
Thems the vibesShrugze
thought process feels… reasonable? I dont really like or dislike it personally
but i also have absolutely no context on the merc wagon or mercs posts today
so you wanna yeet in consensus towncore for the hell of it? wat
its derps
what did you expect
her overall interaction with derps feels like she’s genuinely annoyed at him and cant make heads or tails
and then she’s super rude regardless of being right or wrong and spoilering it doesnt change that in the slightest.
idk
dude why wont my brain work
? help
:ghosthug:
@Guillotina have you been baiting nightkills? if so can you show me receipts please
it feels more like you’re using your claim as a crutch rather than for its intended purpose
i’m much more inclined to believe it if you can show you were trying to get wolves to bonk you, as opposed to softing unnecessarily - which will only serve to make wolves not attack you lol
PGO shouldnt be trying to put clues in the thread so they have proof they were softing it throughout the game
that’ll only give wolves information and lead to them not attacking you, which is -EVbreadcrumbing as a PGO is wolfy broski
now theses feel like chloe
like, the first post is the most chloe post i have seen this game
thank you for not going “lol!mech is always true because people cant lie on the internet”, but… it feels like youve interacted incredibly differently towards this claim and wisp’s claim
theres a very reasonable explanation for this that i see but id like to hear your reasoning
then we go on to the whole “wind is scum for having a hater ability”
which i personally disagree with?
i’ve had the “hated” modifier as town before and i definitely wouldnt consider it a scum-centric ability?
i dont super know the context but scumreading her off that just doesnt make sense although in hindsight writing this seems kinda wasted since the votecount from… 12 hours ago now jesus fucking christ im trying too hard doesnt have anyone voting wind
luk is like
if you took marl and katze
mashed them together and made sure to combine their egos
and added a sprinkle of trochilidae on top
that much ego would create a singularity that would destroy the entire forum
my code number is 11037
stupidstupidstupidstupidSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTU-
case on Wisdom is
ok i guess
i dont really get anything from it and my brain is telling me that its scummy that its not scummy and that sure does Make Sense™
i swear to god 75% of guillo’s posts are them calling themself town
lmfao
uh
so
i hate to say this chloe
but i think youre… kinda tunneled on guillo
and it all comes back to the discrepancy between the babysitter/pgo claims which just
i really want you to explain why youre treating them so differently to me
Aight so lemme assume all of them are town rq
Silviu is un-MLable but easily manipulated, and has very little thread control in the grand scheme of things
Wolves can use him to push agenda, and likely are
Also he might have been protectedWiisp is a claimed babysitter and could very well target within the scumteam, taking one of them down with him
Nikamara isn’t widely townread I don’t think? Aelin quoted where they cased and dunked on Tilga, which is nagl considering their flip. Can be left alive for paranoia’s sake to push an elim. Also their claim doesn’t seem very high priority to me
There ya go
Ezpz
I do believe one of you and Wiisp is fakeclaiming, simply from a balance standpoint
But yeah
I don’t think all PR claims being alive is extreeeemely damning?
ayaya
i dont really know how i feel about this
like i said earlier
im pretty sure helz was killed for the morally questionable quickedit
Just had a stupid thought but wind is going to despise me for it
i dont even know how much i believe in it but awkdjawdaaaaaa
wind’s treatment of helz reminds me of her treatment of me in shortnight 2 which makes me think helz could be town
kinda like how almost all of sulit’s tunnels end up being on villagers
this has the same vibe
im sorry wind
ily
did
did chloes name just change to “Chair_Of_Deception” or am i just really oblivious?
also i dont know why this was spoilered
has min had any strong stances / fleshed out cases this game btw
getting slightly utr vibes
but ive only been here for like 2 seconds and dont know what they’ve contributed
could very well be wrong as i havent read everything
this feels like a total restart of chloes brain for some reason
but there were only about six minutes between this and the last post
and it kinda feels like a slap in the face and im not really sure why
great post
great questions
ok
and… your thoughts on them are?
nika/wiisp have partner equity as wiisp was main wagon
god i love preflipping mmmmmmmm
this also doesn’t really
line up
aaaaaa
i think im starting to just go senile
holy shit i had a chloe moment wtf
i just realized half the reason i was clashing with guillo on his claim was because i kept imagining PGO as ToL Hunter - where he kills people who attack him
even though i
said
differently
in that he kills people who visit him
idfk what my brain is goinghis softs aren’t as wolfy with that context
i still dislike how he went about it, and it feels like hes using the claim as a crutch
but his breadcrumbs arent as damning as i initially thoughtstill despise his push on wind, which is independent of his claim
but im a dumbass
this
wasnt what i was thinking
im also not sure how this relates to anything or changes things around
urge to close this fucking iso = rising
/vote Wiisp @osieorb18 @EliThePsycho
spice? spice
lets see how i feel about it
thinking
definitely feel a wolf+ in wiisp/derps/guillo
weh
thinking intensifies
/unvote @osieorb18 @EliThePsycho
you’re joking
i hate this game
i dont really know what this is referencing
i read through the 44 posts recently and i might just be missing it because im stupid but like
???
Thought exercise time
If I assume both Helz and Guillo are town, I’m inclined to put stock in Helz’s reads and the fact that he received backlash when he called out specific players in Derps/Wisdom/Luk (and me lol)
Wisdom looks quite a bit worse on a surface level, because of their pushes towards both Guillo and Helz, as well as the fact that according to some, Wisdom has been consensus-y PoE to most, yet never pressured
I’d look harrrd into Derps
Potentially 1 in Wiisp and Aelin - who i dont believe are w/w
Blitz’s town equity rises as the likelihood for the wagon to be wolf-motivated increases (guillo and helz were offwagon and lukundo wagon didnt gain traction) - potentially indicative of luk’s alignment if this is the case but i dont wanna get too preflippy
If Blitz is v i’d take a long hard look at people pushing to ‘resolve’ the EoD wagons lately (zone, nika, luk)So in a helz/guillo villa world i’d look into…
wisdom/luk/derps/nika/zone + wiisp/aelinso
yeah
guess i needa figure some shit out
so
thoughts here are: acknowledging this is a thought exercise, but how exactly do you stand on helz and guillo at the moment
they seem to have been your two greatest scumreads overall
Wisdom imo looked moderately towny when they subbed in but i remember when reading up they said something that made me stop and go “what the fuck?” and im upset now that i cant remember what it was
Potentially 1 in Wiisp and Aelin - who i dont believe are w/w
does this hold true regardless? is there any chance of T/T? how does this relate to you thinking that Wiisp/Guillo can’t both exist as town? do you see me/guillo as a potential team?
min is probably just town
their posts dont make me wanna throw up
opener is comfortable and doesnt feel very ‘how do you do, fellow kids?’ which is a good look - especially considering they dont know everyone in the roster and might not be as natural with a wolfrandhonestly solid iso
lack of presence today is whatever - their activity is fine on d1/d2
it doesnt feel like theyre afraid of confrontation
bitching about how theyre being scumread for nothing is absolutely NAI but im townreading it anyways because brain go buzz and i feel guiltyof the people i know in this playerlist i’d honestly say min has one of the more solid wolfgames - their ranges overlap quite a bit, and i always have a rough time reading them tbqh. i respect it
think they’re villabroing here after ISO though
would still love to see more of you tho when time permits @min
always appreciate your thoughts and memes
did something change between now and your read on min earlier where you said they kinda felt flat? im not really sure how i feel about this in general because
i dont really… see anything youve mentioned as particularly Town!AI for min although i should
probably give them a dedicated look sooner or later
or i could just… not
easy game easy life tbh
EoD1 paranoia fake as shit
emotions feel plastic
theres no oomph to her cases and reads
this just feels like vig10er aelin (wolfgame)there is nothing in this iso that makes me happy
can die thx frens
gimme pelt
shes been consistently pushing villagers and not putting as much into her reads/cases as i know she can as a villager
going heavily utr
not getting nearly as much attention as she should beget me out of this game
i dont know if shes having a bad week or something but she has the most monotone iso on this goddamn planet and it feels like shes a straight up robot
i dont feel
anythingshe just exists
its an empty nothingburger iso
why is she not getting put under the spotlight and pushed and shoved by wolves
ive already gone over this
but with the added knowledge of this supposedly being an rt on my wavelength i vibe surprisingly little with it
it feels a bit like she went “lets push this” and there wasnt a crazy amount of support so she went “still scummy haha but not that scummy haha” although her dropping it and going for what she saw immediately is a good look
and i admit that it could also just be real or also her just soaking up paranoia but i just
do not know
I fuckin thought guillo was softing mason and now idk what the hell is going on
OH
okay this actually makes that post i quoted earlier and couldnt figure out make sense
and i can… kinda see how she got there? like not super
but im not exactly good at picking up softs
@WindwardAway why are you not paranoid about me?
mood
but then this super big post on wind that
i honestly cant really care to think about
ive already given my thoughts on chloe/wind and i dont think ill really go anywhere further by digging deeper into the rabbit hole
ive been at “225 / 255” for like a hundred posts now
this iso doesnt end
and also no longer “Chair of Deception” or whatever and back to Chloe
am I dumb???
what the fuck is going on
not going into her big post
am running out of energy
With that in mind I thought Wiisp’s claim could be real, but now that the cat’s outta the bag and derps outted as Mason I’m back to the ‘theres a wolf in wiisp/guillo’ dichotomy thats objectively unhealthy to have
The fact that he hasnt put any effort into dunking on Aelin is also a good point. Unsure how much of that to chalk up to the fact he said hes not having an easy time getting settled into the game
I feel like both Wiisp and Aelin are sold that the other is a wolf but theres just
Nothing there
Like
Neither of them is going through the motions to get the other killed
Its weird as hell lmao
i lied
so
theres this
and the idea of me not trying to get wiisp killed is
objectively incorrect?
i stopped yesterday because i thought sync rates meant something but everyone is saying sync rates dont really mean anything
theres also a relatively minor thing that i was thinking about that i dont really want to get into
but if i super duper have to i will talk about it
Merc is likely a villager ftr
She feels like the designated ML
please go deeper into this
my eyes are getting blurry
their read on Wisdom feels very fleshed out and it logically tracks
to the point that i definitely agree
and then she goes “but lol idk”
and its just like
i do not understand
With only two mis-elim’d villagers thusfar (out of what… 16? 17? total) i dont think its entirely productive to break up towncores, as PoE has only proven to be wrong twice
(then again tilga was an obvious villager but lolcfd)
i… somewhat agree? the kill on kaif, regardless of whether it was because of suspected mason or not makes me kinda think that like
wolves might be in solid positions regardless to go for yolos on suspected masons
but then it doesnt match up with other stuff and i
just want to bash my head into my desk
i think min might be being given a pass too easily but thats bc i suck at reading min
cries
i dont understand where youre going with your min read
i genuinely do not understand any of it
where where where
bounce bounce bounce
“im not confident” “im confident” “im not confident”
OH THANK GOD ITS FINALLY DONE
OH MY GOD THANK GOD
TL:DR - Chloe is WTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTF I DONT KNOW WHATS GOING ON HERE
THERES SO MUCH I DO AND DONT VIBE WITH
AND THEN THERES SO MUCH I DO AND DONT AGREE WITH READWISE AND THOUGHT PROCESS WISE
AND THEN THERES THE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN GUILLO/WISP TREATMENT BUT THEN THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF WIND
AND I JUST WANT TO BASH MY HEAD INTO A TABLE
also, it feels relatively minor, but like… she said she would analyze some case and then never did and i dont know why this is sticking out to me and its not ai but just like
what the fuck is going on with this slot
CHLOE, HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU MORE FRUSTRATING THAN ERIKA
god
i spent nearly two hours finding those cat videos
facedesk
also
thats it
thats the rest of my activity and effort for this game
Ugh i was just about to go to sleep
Do i needa get on pc and reply to everything ):
Also i blame arete for the name change
Stupid inside joke and i didnt realize they changed my forum name
Ftr aelin i feel like we do this dance in every single game and its starting to get so
So
Tiring
Idk why
And im sorry if this sounds rude or something. I dont mean for it to
I just am starting to notice a pattern ahahah
I guess i feel like every time you case or iso me its like you’re reaching for conclusions on some things regardless of your alignment. Like you’re trying to milk a read out of anything and everything possible
(I do it too, i did it with my blitz read when i said their comment about not being village kp was townie, when… it wasnt. I just wanted it to be)
Im projecting a lot tbh
Im an asshole
I think that post from you is townie though so congrats
Ftr aelin i feel like we do this dance in every single game and its starting to get so
So
Tiring
yes
thats… kinda the problem? I feel like we both expect a lot out of the other and then like so little from ourselves
I guess i feel like every time you case or iso me its like you’re reaching for conclusions on some things regardless of your alignment.
its nice feeling like im doing something, and i honestly dont know whether this is true or not but also i couldnt even come to a conclusion on your alignment
Im projecting a lot tbh
:ghosthug:
Im an asshole
No! I… need the critique tbh. I didn’t realize just how much I relied on tone before this game and so like
these isos are probably really fucky-wucky overall because im trying not to use tone as much and its pretty much been proven i cant really read you consistently tone-wise