Personally I think the EoD wagons and the Marl nightkill are both good starting points, and can possibly overlap in the information they yield.
I already reposted the last 3 votecounts at EoD along with the reads people gave in the last 15 minutes of the day for my own reference, and gave my thoughts on those. Gonna work to resolve some of those slots.
The thing with the Marl nightkill is that I suspect it’s more likely a scum member voiced a TR on Marl yesterday - either before or after his mason claim - and that scum was less likely to voice an SR after the mason claim. Not because going against the grain is an entirely towny thing, but because TRing him would move him closer to a consensus TR and justify killing him in the night. That, and also that at least one of the scumteam likely has experience playing with Marl, and may have landed in his scumreads or else thought he’d eventually push them. Someone on the scumteam knew he was a threat to them, or they could’ve killed someone else who was even more consensus townread instead.
let me go through that case in a bit, from what I remember, it ignores context, and either way, their random vote at the end of EoD, just feels forced. Like completely ignoring anything actually happening, and just joining my train because I told Kail to vote me
It’s the retraction that is odd. If I get newscum/town vibes from a player that doesn’t just go away if they end up being a veteran. They probably just play like a newb, but it was a relatively inconsequential read early in the game. I’m more concerned with coming in townlike then noticeably dropping off on a townlynch day. But the retraction could show being overly concerned with public opinion.
This is probably what bothers me the most about his slot, but I don’t necessarily think it’s wolf AI either. I wouldn’t read it as automatically wolf AI in general because even when I’m town and decide to be way less proactive, I get scumread for it. I’ve just been waiting for more from his slot, and the thing is that I was starting to lean more toward not only the PKR/Kaif wagons being T/T but possibly also Wiisp being town, in which case town had a pretty bad EoD1 and scum has probably spread themselves out in various directions because it wouldn’t matter who was yeeted.
But I don’t really know. My reads could be totally wrong, but that’s where my thoughts are at for now. I don’t really know why I’d think all 3 of the wagons were town tbh.
It was being pointed out to Merc that a non-newbie town would not vote no-hug and that it was antitown, and that reading people off experience was a sucky way to read (this is how the discussion about it came up, I think). And she agreed that if you’re more experienced, there was no point in trying to clear you for the no-hug. I guess I see your point about the retraction being odd, but I don’t think the retraction would’ve happened in the first place if Merc hadn’t tried to clear you off experience level. And Merc herself is an experienced player, so I’m still trying to figure out where that read even comes from.
Same tbh. I think I did relatively well for two games immediately after reading up on mafia theory, but then got sloppy after that (and people figured out my wolf meta anyway).
it makes more sense in context
taking it directly from ISO is what makes my responses seem weirder imo
I’ll run you through the series of events that occurred…
first, Guillo claims to have redchecked Nika
I had a solid TR on Nika most of the latter half of D1
thus my reaction was: What?! Nika was scum?!
QAQ - represents the crying emotion of being metaphorically betrayed in my trust of Nika
after that, I voted Nika because I thought they were outed scum
then I think it was Blitz and someone else (sorry I forgot you) who asked about what was going on (because they didn’t know the meaning of redcheck of something)
so then I graciously explained that red check = investigation role found scum
a question mark was added because I was starting to doubt my understanding of its meaning since no one else was reacting to it the way I was
then I think it was Silviu that suggested Guillo might be doing an RT as mafia, to which Guillo responded that they would do that as town as well
I responded with the last quote: you’d better not be lying if you were town
that she made it sound like she was convinced of the read, but retracted it just as quickly when told you weren’t a newbie, which means she must not have been very convinced (because it means she had no other reasons to TR you)
I mean given my recent “interactions” with self votes, yes I heavily dislike the idea of doing it
what exactly is wrong with hedging on Zone early in the game? I also can’t remember a time I was wrong on that slot. Also he is easily town here given his latter posts, even if I was teasing him a bit. The earliest experiences I had with Zone’s wolf game was that he was nervous, and flaily, and then the game got rerolled, because “Osie”, he was town, and I easily noticed the difference right away.
how does it say nothing it at all, I am concluding it as townie for bad reasons?
Idk what this is even saying, how exactly is it a perspective slip, and when have you ever actually seen one?
I mean ya, it wasn’t suppose to be a good post. It’s just wine, but at the same time true.
He plays a bit like Rhand in a way, he pushes what he believes, and early on it can come off a bit slimy, so like it matched his game on SC2 in regards to pushing things relatively early, its not at all telling me he couldn’t in fact do it as a wolf
this is how I play, but normally I can have at least a confident scum lean. I might have ignored day 1 a bit too hard
this doesn’t actually say anything
Honestly going back to the helz point, you already have an answer to how I feel about Helz here
which you even brought up in the post, but I am not going to attack you for this point, since I am quite sure it came up a bit later
it was shade, on both them, because their mindsets both fall into this, “Wolves play like this, and town play like this”, which is inherently incorrect, especially since on MTGS, we have a fair share of players that don’t ideal day 1, and start off really early with wolf reads they believe are strong. Rhand is a very good example of that
I had a very bad interaction with Min, and I can’t handle players like that, what exactly is gross about this post?
you proceed to say this 2 more times, as if FoL isn’t an accumulation of grandstanding in like every other post. How exactly was I suppose to answer that response?
I gave that read to Erika, because I thought she was a extra vote giver, which 100% of the time is town, but I guess you ignored the context that came a bit after
you can’t re-evaluate, their entrance was still poor, that read didn’t change
They still really aren’t amazingly great right now
it went over my head, why did you have to shade me here?
I guess “Probably” was a bit of a hard word for you to read
I was looking at the trains, “looking at the trains”, this has 0 to do with my reads on them, but I did have a wolf read on Silviu based on his early erratic behavior
Honestly I can’t remember if this post came out, before or after I called Nika/PKR v/v
lmao are u shading me and deciding which of my reads I should vote? I don’t understand here.
and the other posts says you don’t know where I stand on PKR/Nika, which I did state
no idea, its irrelevant
is it though? I am guessing you don’t have much experience with game design, but I do, and mechanical stuff like this crosses my mind, especially since I have played in and seen at least a dozen if not way more Osie games
rule of 3, but like, but in all seriousness I probably would have picked Merc in that situation
though post was to see if Kaif would actually give me an answer or not, not that I was ignoring my read on anything in that grouping. Since one I could be wrong
and I lost the rest of the post, one sec
@TheLukundo
what are you asking me in regards to strongarming Proph?
