I haven’t checked why people town read Merc. I guess that at that point I’d probably add min to my PoE and try to listen to my core (Chloe, Luku, Wind).
But we flip Whysp today right? Regardless of him being arso or just wolf?
Wait is that me? Why am I an idiot, the person I’ve pushed since subbing in just flipped w x) My work here is done.
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However, I’m obviously in the minority here so /shrug
Still just think Whys ain’t a hit tho
Have I missed this post somewhere? Don’t recall seeing it but I was a bit distracted earlier, and I’d like to read it for myself.
Excuse me for throwing around town points but I think this post comes from town!min.
Whysper only gets quickhammered by 2 mafia if she herself isn’t mafia. This post is a bit weird.
I’ve seen a couple people say this, at least from what I remember? Anyway, I have some thoughts about Lemon, and at this point I think I’d like to ask her to claim her role.
Thread looks like it’s stagnating on the Whysper wagon and possibly a Lemonfairy wagon. Min is being sussed from a couple different directions and yet absolutely nobody is voting them.
I mean, the thread was happy to let the Helz wagon happen yesterday, so this doesn’t mean that Whysper isn’t a wolf, but most of what I’ve heard today is “yeah Whysper has to be a wolf from Guillo’s actions and the slot’s voting patterns”. To be fair, I said similar as well, but is anyone waiting for Whysper to give her thoughts before yeeting her off the face of the earth? I still want to hear from her before placing my vote, especially after Lukundo said that Whysper seemed fairly pure in their sync chat.
I was planning to do this, but sometime tonight once my presentation stuff is over for the day. I’ll get back to you on that.
Wind’s PoE:
Min (not a wolf but could be a neut if I tinfoil them)
Blitz (posts have seemed pure, but not much else going for the slot)
Whysper (I was hard-tunnelled on Guillo but I need to read Whysper’s ISO before making a call)
Lemonfairy (I’ve seen exactly one post I thought looked towny enough to take her out of my PoE yesterday, but I can’t think of any reason she shouldn’t be in the PoE today unless she claims something spicy)
Zone (we bounced a lot of thoughts off each other in sync chat and his reasoning seemed ok, but the Derps NK makes me wary that he was attempting to pocket me to allow the NK to happen)
Nikamara (gut says she’s town but brain says it needs another day to evaluate her; haven’t read her case on Whysper yet)
yeet order is preferably:
Lemonfairy > Zone > Whysper > Nikamara > Blitz > Min
and Whysper is in the middle because I want to read her ISO before yeeting her. Yeet order may change after that.
Is your case on Zone in your ISO? Gonna look for it if so.
Slightly disagree on spewing Lemon clear. He plopped his vote on her as “self-pres” when she was barely a wagon yesterDay, and I read it as antispew. I also think specifically because he didn’t point out anything memorable from Lemonfairy, he legitimately could have been saying he didn’t find his own teammate to be towny.
Yeah, Helz also made me want Whysper mega-dead, because I was so heavily association reading their slots, but I’m gonna come back to this after I read up on her.
No idea either, although I remember he said himself that his town game is hard to discern from his scum game, so while I think he spewed at least 3 or 4 people in some direction or another, one of them could’ve been antispew. My association read between Helz and Guillo/Whysper came from D1 and D2, and less so later on, and I think it’s important to focus on the earlier days because Helz likely went into antispew after he was getting hard pushed and locked as the yeet.
This is almost exactly what I said some time after she replaced in, and when multiple people asked me why the hell I was townleaning her lol. Iirc both Helz and Guillo questioned why I’d trust Wisdom’s reads on them instead of someone like Marl, but my point was not that I trusted her reads so much as I understood what she had seen, and that her play seemed too confident and gutsy to come from a wolf who had just replaced in.
I think the wolves were split roughly 2-1-1 on the D3 wagons. I don’t remember how I reached this conclusion as I’m not currently looking at the VC, but I remember thinking this. And if there’s a 5th wolf, it’s 2-2-1 or 2-1-1-1. I’d bet some of the wolves were voting people who weren’t really wagons, and possibly their scum buddies.
Helz took the opposite approach from Guillo. Helz kept a hard townread on me and Guillo kept a hard scumread on me, all the while heavily TRing each other, something I’d expect from a pretty solid wolfteam tbh. And the more I pushed the association read, the more riled up Guillo got. I didn’t call for a yeet on Guillo immediately; I said I would vote where I was most confident, which was Helz, and give Guillo another day to prove himself as town, but he went straight for voting me and I interpreted it as a chainsaw defense, tying my association read together very neatly.
Additionally, Helz’s flip on reading Guillo’s slot after Whysper replaced in was super wonky. I say this because I generally find Whysper tonally fine regardless of her alignment, so Helz specifically saying that he would have towncored Guillo but was rescinding that read on Whysper pinged me as an antispew tactic.
I also admit that I was reading both Helz and Guillo off of small things I saw that I would probably choose to say if I were a wolf, in their positions, and when I saw that Guillo was pushing me based on things he would do as a wolf, it added a very interesting dimension to our interaction. It was almost like he was hard pushing me but also expressing paranoia on my slot the way he thought I was expressing paranoia on him, and yet I was fully scumreading both him and Helz and they were dismissing it as nothing more than paranoia that couldn’t be reasoned with.
Yeah, this is also something I saw. I brought it up several times (not that anyone wants to read my ISO) as well as the Lukundo case, since Helz was so intent on discrediting him for what I saw as a town-motivated CFD off of two town wagons and onto a wolf.
I’m gonna look back on this. Do you interpret Nikamara’s case and vote on Silviu differently from Lemonfairy’s, then? Because they both voted him after his RT. I remember thinking Nikamara’s case looked like it was written from a genuine perspective but I don’t remember anything about Lemonfairy’s case tbh.
Mmmm, I have reasons for my reads on both of them but I’ll go into more details later today. Think Helz spent a lot of time painting Merc as LHF because she was damn near getting yeeted a couple times, and I get the feeling Helz likes to distance but doesn’t like to bus unless absolutely necessary.
I would’ve hard pushed for a Guillo yeet but I just want to make sure I’m giving Whysper a fair read and not completely tunnelled on interpreting everything her predecessor did as scummy. Right now I’m not complaining about a Whysper yeet but I’m not voting her just yet.
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Their reads changed like. It felt they were solving. They were working out the game. Like, I can see their thought process and I can understand their reasoning
I’m one of these and I can tell you exactly why. Cause there’s bigger fish to fry
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I don’t think you like reading old games, but the only game I was in with wolf!Whysper she was extremely convincing and she won it lol
Lemon’s vote felt much more like, o this is a wagon, better vote to keep up appearances
bruh…
I’ve only been in one game with them (They were Town and so was I but I never interacted nor really noticed them; haven’t went back to check how they were either cause didn’t even remember being in the same game as them) but that doesn’t fill me with confidence.