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[Mercenary]

Btw remember that a town flipped and the counterwagon was Kaif

[WindwardAway]

@Guillotina

Marl always gets killed on Day 1 for one reason when he is town. His early day reads are often god reads. He either found scum and we didnt see it or he was finding too many townies and scum feared a box in, but he also had a mason claim and there is no way scum kills Silviu over Marl.

Speaking of which, I disagreed with Marl on the min slot (as I mentioned before) and I’m still trying to see what he saw. Once I find it, I’ll determine which of our reads is wrong, but I don’t necessarily think his scumread on min was the reason he died. Off the top of my head he also said he thought Wiisp and Lukundo might be wolfing. I bookmarked his posts where he gave reads so I’ll go back and look at them later.

[WindwardAway]

@Mercenary

Btw remember that a town flipped and the counterwagon was Kaif

Remember there was also a CFD to Wiisp that tied with the PKR and Kaif wagons for a brief time.

[min]

Even though pkr was town I didnt initially like the sudden cfd on wisp. I also dont understand why people scumread them tonewise as I have trouble reading tone in text and that is what people seem to agree to scumread them based off of (although I just do not see it)

I believe kaif is towning based off if their lack of self res (and if they did that move as scum gj hopefully we can figure it out later) and pkr flipped town obviously which is the only reason why I’m getting conflicting feelings of wisps alignment

[Mercenary]

I didn’t read anything after I got to sleep and left for the day tbh

[ErikaFurudo]

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[min]

Also not only their self res but I do not feel like a wolf would let themselves gain that (possibly) provoky behavior they had towards me

[min]

Sorry if I zzz its early morning here

[ErikaFurudo]

@WindwardAway

Remember there was also a CFD to Wiisp that tied with the PKR and Kaif wagons for a brief time.

I’d need to go over it, but that sounds like a hit. I like the narrative here.

[Zone_Q11]

…hey @Lemonfairy, what’s your take on EOD1?

[Zone_Q11]

Remind me why this is the case?

[WindwardAway]

@Lemonfairy

So you mean everyone else has done more towny things than Lemon? (why am I referring to myself in 3rd person?)
Also, a point of correction: I didn’t SR Nika (Nika has been my TR since the PKR conversation we had). I SR’d Helz (from that awkward entrance) - a read that I now no longer hold because I think their recent posts are towny.

Oh I shouldve clarified, I meant that the reasons for clearing you initially off your reasoning on Silviu were the same reasons other people held against Nikamara, not that you SR’d her.

And yeah,yesterday I wasn’t convinced you were town, but I’ve seen at least one post I think looked really good from you today, so I’m kinda turning around on my read on you.

@Lemonfairy

ngl I basically just skimmed through their entire convo but I feel that they’re both kind of hyper-focused on each other at this point that it wouldn’t really come from mafia

That’s also what I was thinking, and why I asked Helz if he was still considering it could be T/T or not (and then he clarified he only thought it couldn’t be W/W so far. I have Aelin higher up in my readlist than Wiisp right now, though, and I’m still trying to figure Wiisp out.

@Helz

I do not want to move my vote off Luk but there is something I dug up on Kaif:

@Kaif

I highly urge anyone on pkr to reconsider what they get from his pkr compared to wiisp flip regarding info on nulls like prophy etc.

Post flip this feels like a player who knew Pkr was not going to flip scum but pushed Wiisp. Not because they were arguing Wiisp was scum but because of some tangental point that it would reveal info on ‘nulls like prophy’? What town player sits down and advocates for a swap on a lynch because that lynch was bad while pushing an alternative of collateral information on a target they do not even scum read…
This looks like an agenda to me.

I’m gonna look at this again, but I thought it was because Kaif had PKR as a solid townread and didn’t want to vote PKR out to save himself - in contrast to how Wisp voted PKR to save himself when the wagons were tied.

@Helz

Gotta be more specific there. Yes, I scum read Night and I left the door open in case they are actually a mason, but I will also point out if they are not a mason they are floating on a pool of reads thats helping them out and thats likely not a ‘town pool’

I have very mundane reasons for townleaning Night and they aren’t linked to whether or not she’s a mason. They’re just meta reasons and also based on her EoD. It’s not a strong townlean but she’s not anywhere near my priority list, I guess.

@Helz

I highly urge anyone on pkr to reconsider what they get from his pkr compared to wiisp flip regarding info on nulls like prophy etc.

The only association read that could’ve been made from PKR’s flip is min, and if you think PKR flips town, there are no associations yielded and you get standard wagonomics to look at. If Wiisp flips either alignment, it yields info about Aelin, possibly Proph, you, and information about the people who CFD’d to Wiisp as well.

OK I’ve caught up now, gotta go for a while.

[WindwardAway]

@min

Even though pkr was town I didnt initially like the sudden cfd on wisp. I also dont understand why people scumread them tonewise as I have trouble reading tone in text and that is what people seem to agree to scumread them based off of (although I just do not see it)

Personally I’m not reading wiisps tone but comparing his actions in the thread to Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. He was more solvey there, but I also know he’s been changing up his town meta so he doesn’t go full into obvtown mode right away and lead the town. So I’m not sure what I expect from him,but my thoughts were just that I wasn’t opposed to yeeting him yesterday but if he was alive today, I’d want to detect some improvement from his slot or else I’d say he’s probably a wolf.

[min]

Sheesh, that game was embarassing for me

[Zone_Q11]

@WindwardAway

what actually is the consensus view of Lemon at the moment? I feel like it’s been fairly evenly split on the slot.

Do we need a consensus? It’s not as if a clash of reads is anything new.

Anyone who favors consensus smells like someone with an agenda to use them as cover and/or scapegoat.

[WindwardAway]

@Zone_Q11

Do we need a consensus? It’s not as if a clash of reads is anything new.

Anyone who favors consensus smells like someone with an agenda to use them as cover and/or scapegoat.

We don’t need a consensus on Lemon, no, but someone had mentioned lemon was a consensus scumread and I didn’t actually think they were at the time, so I was trying to get information about where everyone was on the slot.

[Zone_Q11]

I scumread Lemlem? I don’t remember that. The only one that sticks out to me right now is Tilg.

Nobody else seems to be doing anything that warrants my attention, so I am tunneling him.

[Zone_Q11]

Denied. I may not like Wiisp on a personal level, but that doesn’t mean that I want them dead 24/7 without a good cause.

[Kaif]

@WindwardAway

I’m gonna look at this again, but I thought it was because Kaif had PKR as a solid townread and didn’t want to vote PKR out to save himself - in contrast to how Wisp voted PKR to save himself when the wagons were tied.

I did tr pkr and I posted multiple times with him as a townlean in reads list

[Kaif]

why