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[Zone_Q11]

@Zone_Q11

I’d tell him in scumchat,
and then talk about it “out loud” after the fact;
and then give evidence as to how I came about being able to read him like that;
even after a flip from me,
it’d still hold weight as some sort of pocketing attempt?
Maybe? (Argument regarding distancing)

But it would have been a lot better than
simply saying it during the early stages
when posts are likely to be forgotten again
bc it’s all meme’s anyways

IDK about you guys, but this is way too much effort for me to read.
@Tilgarial, you are at L-2. Get over here and explain everything from scratch.

[WindwardAway]

If you don’t want to read posts >3 paragraphs, why are you asking Tilga to explain it again?

[Zone_Q11]

Because hopefully he can explain it 3 lines this time.

[Helz]

Im starting to format my notes. Also ate and took a shower.

I very specifically wanted RVS broken fast because I hate how most players use it and just generally do not think the majority of people have a real understanding for its function.

Theres a number of small indicators I have seen here and there that I would like to keep under my hat for now. I may try to throw together some ultra-soft read wall to try to focus the town a bit. The format this forum uses makes everything more difficult though.

Feel free to ask me anything if you have something specific in mind. Otherwise I will probably just poke here and there while I get organized.

[Zone_Q11]

@Helz

I very specifically wanted RVS broken fast because I hate how most players use it and just generally do not think the majority of people have a real understanding for its function.

Hm… Helz, I am uneducated when it comes to this matter. What is the true function of Random Voting Stage, and how does it benefit town to have it broken down as quickly as possible?

[Mercenary]

What’s a RVS

[WindwardAway]

@Zone_Q11

Random Voting Stage,

RVS
(I just learned this now too lol)

[WindwardAway]

@Helz

I very specifically wanted RVS broken fast because I hate how most players use it and just generally do not think the majority of people have a real understanding for its function.

Imo if people use it for a specific purpose, it’s no longer really a “random” voting phase
So I’m not really sure I can agree it has an intended purpose, although I think I understand which purpose you mean.

[Zone_Q11]

I heard the dislike of ending RVS early a couple weeks ago, and truth to be told I never liked the idea.
Without infinite RVS, how would we hold our usual panic CFD at the final hour?

[WindwardAway]

@Zone_Q11

Without infinite RVS, how would we hold our usual panic CFD at the final hour?

[Tilgarial]

I will now proceed to make an even longer explanatiom just to spite you
…or I would, but I’m lazy. Lucky you

[Zone_Q11]

IDK about other sites, but my D1 expectations of this site has always been:

1. Introductions
2. Useless conversation for dozens of hours
3. CFD at the final hour and/or final minute

D2 and onwards then start talking about D1’s wagon and motives, coupled with occasional mech talk.

[Helz]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47912-Early-game-play-(RVS-strategy-and-developing-game-tempo)
This is some ramblings I did on the subject late last year.

TLDR- Its purpose is to build reasoning you can analyze. Casting random votes does not do that and not breaking RVS just wastes the day which helps the scum.

Because scum is informed and know alignments they have no need for the day phase
Because Town is uninformed and need to hunt they need the game to break RVS so they can close that information gap.

[WindwardAway]

@Helz

Casting random votes does not do that and not breaking RVS just wastes the day which helps the scum.

Slight disagree. The memey votes serve no purpose, but the ones that stick or develop into reads, or elicit a reaction out of their target, are worth reading into.

[Tilgarial]

On one hand, I do agree with you that ending the RVS as soon as possible is pro-town as it lengthens discussion
But on the other hand, without RVS i just wouldn’t know where to start, so it’s more of a mecessary evil

[PokemonKidRyan]

A reaction to what?
Basic RVS?

Oh no, I’m so scared.
I can’t believe you’ve pushed me and made me crack.
Boo hoo

[Guillotina]

@Zone_Q11

Wiisp, you poke me even outside game. IDEK about you, but I don’t like you on a personal level.

@Guillotina

Nice discredit there.

Thank you. It didn’t take much effort from me considering how truthful the discredit is.

@Guillotina

Don’t speak for me please.

No offense, but what can you do about it? Report me?

@Guillotina

Town do want to take this wildcard to endgame.

So… every town would like a piece of the guy who “claims” to have something up his sleeves, but doesn’t actually do anything with them… in endgame?
Ya, I find that hard to believe.

The first reply to Wiisp, that was unnecessary.

You don’t know me so the discredit from your point of view is scum indicative in my opinion or at the very least ill intended.

Report you? Nah! I can do this though Vote: Zone_Q11 @osieorb18

And yes, wildcards like me solve games and get town wins. I’m the kind of player that scum love to take to endgame because they think they can get me mischopped but just when they think they have the game setup to win, i turn on them, present irrefutable evidence, case them and chop them for our win. If you are town you wanna keep me, if you are scum you want to get rid of ASAP.

[Zone_Q11]

@Tilgarial

I’m lazy. Lucky you

Hooray me.
Now hurry up and summarize whatever you posted when you gave an example of us being W/W.

@Helz

Its purpose is to build reasoning you can analyze.

(Oh hey, it’s the thing people did at MU when I played there.)

@Helz

Casting random votes does not do that and not breaking RVS just wastes the day which helps the scum.

Y’see, if you had said this on NUF, then I would’ve 100% agreed with you.
The problem is; this is FoL/ToL, and townplay is so bad that only mech and luck are the only two constants that keeps town away from constant loss.

(Yes, townplay sucks in general in this site, and while some people have the intentions to improve that, not all agree to readily do so as it involves an entire paradigm shift which takes way too much effort.)

[Helz]

Well yes, But you gotta give ‘some’ reasoning with your vote so it can build into something. By just giving a naked vote it does nothing.

If you want an example just Iso me and look at what I did to break RVS.

Do I think Tiger is scum? Ehhh… Maybe. And I did overstate my position. But it totally broke the Random bullshit and just a few hours into the game 2 genuine pushes have happened with lots of plays we could draw into association tells. I am happy with it.

[Zone_Q11]

Okay.