Helz - Scumlean, weird interactions with Wiisp and Guillo
Zone_Q11 - Nullscum
Wisdom - Scumlean, strong entrance but quickly fell off, weird interactions around Wiisp but nearly no interactions with Wiisp
Lemonfairy - Nullscum, mentioned briefly at end of Wiisp spew but not super sure of what it means
Blitz - Townread, slightly spewed town by Wiisp
Whysper - Scumread, decently spewed scum from Wiisp
WindwardAway - Townlean, spew from Wiisp isn’t great but far from damning
Prophylaxis - Townread, strongly spewed town by Wiisp
TheLukundo - Null - can not read
Nikamara - Nulltown, claim seems “meh” but not impossible, vaguely spewed town by Wiisp
Chloe - Townread, decently spewed town from Wiisp
min - Nullscum, haven’t seen a lot of effort recently or anything that really makes me go “this isn’t scum!min, and there’s a bit of meh spew from Wiisp
Mercenary - uhh no clue luvs
these were my reads during the night
theyve changed a bit during the day
We’ve had people talk about scumreading Helz.
I don’t understand how you could’ve missed that when even I didn’t.
…this is sad. How am I ever going to get a proper CFD again if people start sheeping one wagon?
It’s like D3 all over again: Even if we get the correct execution, what do we get out of its VCA?
Title: Analysis on Wiisp’s association posts which may or may not provide clues on the identities of their scumbuddies
Created by: Lemonfairy (I deserve cake after this)
Relevant pings (maybe): @Zone_Q11, @Nikamara, apparently no one else wanted in on this great abomination so that’s it
This wall is entitled: “At least 8 hours of Lemonfairy’s meager life was wasted thus”
Wiisp coming into thread D1 with this. Zone pretty much cleared tbh.
This was in response to Guillo’s self-vote. Post reads as unnatural.
Either Guillo scum and Wiisp genuinely annoyed or Guillo town and Wiisp struggling to say something here. I think the latter is more likely from the unnaturalness.
I think Wiisp is TMIing here. Post seems forced and they’re trying too hard to read Guillo as town.
If Guillo/Wiisp are w/w, I don’t think Wiisp would try to clear Guillo like this – the town cred is v. flimsy.
Shading Zone/making fun of his town game. Doesn’t read as distancing.
More shading Zone.
Confused about this solo wolf part – Wiisp never actually talks about this as a mech possibility.
This is a really neutral comment. Too neutral imo. It gives no indication of towny/scummy – it’s just “fine”. This reads as either Wiisp planning to shade Wind later or distancing.
Wiisp mech talk. There should be 4-5 mafia. Maybe more if they’re lying. IDK how that would balance though.
Reasoning on Helz is suuper shallow. Reads as TMI/awkward town-cred giving.
Similar thing with Proph. Weird that Helz and Wind get town cred right away but waits on Proph… never mind at that point Proph hadn’t been as towny I think. This is TMI and slightly pockety.
Looks like shading Guillo but in the end still concludes they are town. Reads as TMI rather than giving town-cred to teammate.
Read on Zone is super vague. Not sure if this was purposeful or not. Feels kind of like shading tbh – like Wiisp is waiting for someone to see their read on Zone, ask why, all so they could respond with “because reasons”.
Shade. +1 towny point for Erika’s slot.
Don’t think this is bussing because Wiisp doesn’t even expand on this.
Prophy towny from this post. Don’t think Wiisp would say they’d sheep a scumbuddy outright like that.
This can be read as TMI/pocketing or giving town cred to scumbuddy. I’m not sure which one it is because the points are kind of earnest to be TMI – it seems like Wiisp is actually making an effort to defend Helz for whatever reason. Actually, I’d say it looks more like Wiisp is giving town cred here. -1 towny point for Helz.
Don’t know what Wiisp is trying to say here. Looks like… they’re saying Proph is towny and Helz is scummy – but scummy Helz contradicts with their previous post which sort of defends Helz but doesn’t actually. It’s also kind of shading Guillo I think?
Overall, this makes most sense as Wiisp TMIing Prophy town and Helz scum. I’d expect more continuity on Helz if they were town (i.e., constant TMI or constant shading) and for shading to be stronger.
….well Helz/Proph not w/w.
Seems kind of pockety to Proph.
Pockety. Doesn’t feel like giving town cred.
Shade or distancing. Could go either way. Wiisp doesn’t mention a read/stance and just uses a general “bother”. I’m leaning more towards shading for this post.
In response to Wind saying Helz is neut hunting:
This feels like a defense of Helz. It doesn’t look like pocketing because Wiisp doesn’t actually say anything about Helz looking towny but it’s just an objective comment based on Helz’ meta. Doesn’t look like TMI either because again, there isn’t a mention of Helz being towny.
This is either TMI or distancing. I think it’s too obvious/fake to be distancing. Again, same with Wiisp’s comment on Zone, I think this could be shading because the reason (or lack of reason) given is so bad. +1 towny point for min.
I want to say this is distancing, but if it is, it’s really, really awkward. This is like the second time Wiisp has called Wind’s posting “fine”. Can’t be TMI or pocketing. Isn’t shading. It kind of feels like Wiisp is thinking about shading but is too scared so they back off.
This quote doesn’t give any leads but I just found it funny. Sue me.
Erika slot probably town. This town pass without giving any reasoning makes it unlikely that Wiisp is trying to give town cred. Feels more like TMI.
This reads as TMI to me. Don’t think this would be a good town-cred-giving post. It feels more pockety than defensive (the defense is very flimsy and half-hearted). +1 towny point for min.
IDK why I’m doing the points thing I’m not even going to track them.
TMI. The fact that Wiisp isn’t sure if Erika is claiming (and Wiisp looks like they are legitimately looking for PR here) makes it more likely for Erika slot to be villager.
In response to Blitz naming Wissp as someone with low presence:
This doesn’t feel like distancing – it seems genuine. +1 towny points for Blitz.
Aelin is basically cleared for tunneling Wiisp but these posts are included anyway to drive the point home I guess.
For some reason the /vote Silviu is green.
Min is probably town/cleared from this post.
Erika with Kaif (who flipped town) also likely town here. Post doesn’t look like it could be a bus.
Unsure about this tbh. It was easy to point this out but I’m not sure why Wiisp did unless Nika is scummy. Could also be TMI/attempt to pocket Nika.
Wiisp defending lemon… maybe?
Lemon says this is TMI but readers may not agree. Wiisp’s mention of Wind doesn’t feel like distancing – although it’s admittedly quite awkward. Doesn’t feel like pocketing either. IDK what to make of it.
This is probably Wiisp trying to misinform town. That means wolves don’t have an extra KP.
Shade. Feels more like shade than distancing – especially after acting all friendly towards Proph earlier makes distancing with Proph not a thing.
Shade. Not sure how to interpret this because town’s likely to interpret this in the opposite direction after Wiisp flips and they might have anticipated that. Inconclusive post.
min/Guillo/Merc likely town from this post. Doesn’t feel like distancing.
Shading Kaif. Might be pocketing min here.
This would be a good post to give town cred. +1 towny point for min.
Aelin is clear. I don’t need to say anything here.
OK Wiisp just implied min was towny and now they’re saying this. This reads to me as shade but Wiisp is too scared throw actual shade. Again, doesn’t read as a bus.
Again, I don’t see why Wiisp would mention this unless they are trying to give Nika town cred. Might also be TMI/pocketing Nika though but the part about “mafia not caring” feels weird.
This reads as distancing… the awkward kind.
Aelin town again.
TMI or a defense. This post looks more like a defense to me.
I’m not sure who Wiisp is talking about though… there’s barely any posts of Wiisp’s that directly reply to others, which makes it difficult to track them.
Not distancing with Zone.
This reads either TMI or defensiveness of Nika. Can be read as curious or panicked… can’t tell from this post alone.
Kind of contradictory from previous post that (potentially) shows confusion.
Not voting Nika… Wiisp doesn’t provide a reason though and just backs off. Might be distancing.
Shade. Erika is probably town. Doesn’t read as a bus.
Erika and Aelin towny. Guillo unsure… like Wind, Wiisp says they refuse to ISO and doesn’t bother to give a read on them. Either distancing or scared of shading.
Shade. Proph towny from this post.
Same as previous.
Wolves probably don’t have an extra kill.
TMI. min probably town for being paired with PKR.
Derps is cleared. Why is this post here?
Wait that’s the opposite of what Wiisp just said. Could be giving Proph town cred here because Wiisp won’t die from NK.
Aelin clear.
This post is here because it supports my hypothesis that Wiisp is likely talking about town and subtly shading them whenever Wiisp townreads them and gives “reasons” as a reason. Might also signal Wiisp thinking the other person might be a PR.
Guillo probably towny from this post. I think Wiisp is genuinely confused here, regardless of Nika’s alignment.
Reads as Wiisp panicking. Doesn’t look like TMI.
Guillo looking towny here.
This is in response to my comment of “Aelin town” after they made a wallpost casing Wiisp. This isn’t distancing and seems like Wiisp is trying to test my stance on the case.
Subtle shading. Merc +1 towny point.
I think this was regarding Merc:
If this is regarding Merc, it further makes Merc seem townier.
Early Zone hedging makes Zone townier tbh. Not sure why Wiisp did a 180 later and TR’d Zone.
Regarding Helz:
Reads as distancing. Basically just Wiisp saying Helz is towny but not really >.>
This also reads as distancing or TMI. Wiisp had a bad interaction but still not SRing makes me think it might be more TMI.
Not distancing. A lot of interaction and friendliness towards Proph.
Kind of pockety towards Proph. Regarding Luk, Wiisp is kind of evasive and dismissive. Doesn’t look like a distancing and I think might be Wiisp trying to separate Proph from Luk.
Luk’s vote was towny. Wiisp saying they don’t have a read on Luk after Luk voted them makes giving town-cred less likely imo.
IDK who Wiisp was talking to here but the person they’re talking to is probably town. This reads as TMI but Wiisp is still salty about getting voted so there’s shade at the end.
Wiisp trying to convince Proph that Aelin is a wolf makes Proph more likely town.
Same as previous.
Wisdom likely town – if not, Wiisp would’ve seen them in wolfchat and knew. This kind of post can be easily faked though.
Maybe there really are no wolves there (with the exception of Wiisp) considering a wolf is saying this.
In response to Wisdom:
This reads as pockety.
These are just Wiisp shading Aelin again.
Pleading to Erika. Erika slot likely town.
This reads as defending min. IDK why Wiisp would point this out if TMI (unless they want to pocket min).
TMI or a defense. This reads similar to how Wiisp treats min.
In response to Nika:
Not distancing. Reads as TMI/defense on min. Again, leaning towards TMI because it’s a shoddy defense but might not be anything if Wiisp’s main purpose here was to shade Tilg.
Aelin town.
Response to Erika:
Reads kind of as a defense of Wind and shading Merc. Also shading whoever is talking here.
Derps says in response:
^what Derps said could be a thing. Reads more like Wiisp is shading Merc to me though.
Wind towny from this post. The shading is real.
NAI post on Wind.
Asking for Derps’ read on Proph. This makes Derps look towny (if they weren’t cleared already).
Why did I even include this?
Kind of pushing Nika. Slight shade.
Luk towny form this post because Luk wasn’t in wolfchat to remind Wiisp of their claim.
Not distancing.
Regarding Nika’s post on Guillo’s inconsistent claims:
NAI post.
Trying to convince Chloe makes slot likely town.
In response to Luk claiming green check on Derps:
Entrance wrt Zone makes Zone seem towny but now Wiisp is obviously buddying up to Zone while the latter isn’t obv!town. Why? Is there a conversion mechanism?
Convincing Helz of Nika being towny. Helz +1 towny point. Nika -1 towny point.
Also Helz/Nika likely not w/w.
TMI or giving town cred to Luk. Actually this reads more like pockety/TMI.
Kind of pockety. Looks like Wiisp started off wanting to shade min then chickened out.
Shade. Blitz +1 towny point.
Defending/TMIing Helz and shading Guillo/Wind.
Helz/Wind not w/w. Helz/Guillo not w/w.
Defending Helz.
Regarding Helz:
Wiisp has literally used the same reason like 3 times so far.
Pocketing? What even is this. Quite consistent with Wiisp’s treatment of Proph throughout the game though.
Low-key shading Blitz. Blitz +1 towny point.
Not distancing. Generally NAI.
Mention of Zone here is weird. Other than that, I think most on this list are towny simply because Wiisp names them as sus.
Wisdom likely town because Wiisp keeps forgetting them.
Wiisp not giving a read on Guillo here feels like it might be distancing. min probably town here.
I don’t understand why Wiisp tagged so many people. I’m also not sure what this post is responding to.
Kind of pockety.
Not distancing here.
No idea what Wiisp is talking about at the start. Ping of Whysper is kind of pockety and maybe trying to gain good impression while they haven’t formed an opinion yet. Whysper +1 towny point.
Not distancing. IDK if Wiisp actually goes to read Blitz or not.
This is might be Wiisp shading because they know they’re going to flip.
And finally, we have this awful legacy post:
IDK how much anti-spew this is but I’m tempted to think Wiisp just listed a bunch of towns to mess with us. They might have hidden a scum in the first or second list but this post is inconclusive.
Wiisp’s legacy post is followed directly by:
I think this looks really bad and premediated – like wolves already decided to let Wiisp die and get Wiisp to make leave some sort of legacy post behind to mess with the rest of us. The fact Helz asked for a reads list just after Wiisp posts one :feelsbad:
Wiisp replies:
This post looks kind of unnatural to me.
Conclusions?
From earlier wagons/pushing Aelin and Luk are basically cleared.
From Wiisp’s posts, I would say that Proph, Chloe, Wisdom, and min are likely towns.
Wiisp treats Guillo, Wind, Helz, Nika in a sort of distancy way and don’t really give reads (they are also absent from the final legacy post which IDK what that means take it how you will).
Wiisp’s treatment of town is especially weird; heavily sus-ing them at the beginning then doing a 180. Not sure where to place this slot.
Merc and Blitz are barely mentioned but slightly towny from the ISO.
Lemon is very confused right now because instead of low-posters, all the people she thought were strong TRs before are now in POE from her analysis. Someone tell me if I’ve done this right or not.
That being said, I think Helz’s interaction with Wiisp regarding Wiisp’s legacy list is very scummy and I will vote there.
Also, Guillotina (Whysper’s slot) was asking “Why would I do this as a wolf?” so much that I thought it was LAMIST. Since Whysper isn’t doing it, I’m trying to evaluate what she’s doing in the slot now and I don’t have a read on her yet.
lmao I remember that post from him and I legit thought he was baiting a kill. That’s why I kept him in my townleans.
completely forgot about it later, though
I’ve yeeted replacements within 24 hours
that being said, I’m willing to give Whysper more time because I don’t want to just tunnel on her slot all day. I’m extremely confbiased into thinking the slot is scum, except that Guillotina’s reasons for wolfreading me were extremely similar to the reasons I was reading him as a wolf, so I’ll give Whysper more time to make her alignment clear.
Ok, that’s worth looking into actually. I see your point.
I remember on D1, Helz said he’s been told his town and wolfgames are very similar. I assumed that meant there’s probably tonally no difference, so I’ve focused on what he’s said, what he’s done, and whether he followed through on what he said previously, or if there’s a natural progression behind it. And that’s why I think he’s the agenda pusher (because Wiisp was obviously not pushing agenda and gave up pushing Aelin). That’s why I said I think the wolves have an active agenda pusher, and if we vote them out, it forces the other wolves to be more active.
Aelin clarified that Wiisp was lying about his flavor on D2, after Aelin asked in the thread if Wiisp was 033 and Wiisp answered no (which is why, when someone asked for the list of PR claims, I listed Wiisp as 033 and Wiisp went “what the heck, where did you get that number from?” and dug up his own ISO where he claimed 015 in the thread for whatever reason. That’s where I realized there was a discrepancy, and I didn’t consider it exactly a counterclaim; it just meant someone was lying or that something weird had happened in the neighborhood sync chat.
If Wiisp was dead the minute he fakeclaimed his own flavor, then wolves were already prepared to bus him from D2, so in fact nobody who voted him out on D3 is clear.
The feeling I’m getting is that Zone is only selectively reading posts… which is not a surprise, coming from him, and seeing as we’re at over 8500 posts and the thread is going to break soon tbh. But lack of TMI specifically because he isn’t reading the thread is a good look for him still, even if it’s not 100% clearing.
ok so I nailed it lol. Although I think you said exactly this earlier, too.
Why don’t you think it’s W/W? These posts are exactly why I think they might be teammates. Taking a wishywashy, lazy stance of “probably scum” and then dropping the topic for the rest of the game looks like distancing to me.
Poor Marl, his read accuracy rate on PKR has gone down lol.
Ofc if Helz flips Town, I’m fucked and I’m gonna have to have a rethink (probably not on Chloe tho because regardless of accuracy, they explained all the reads I had just in a better way so either they can translate the shit I can’t get across or they just melded with me a lot) (that was a long ass bracket)
However yeah. If Helz flips Town then glgl with VCA, Zone!
was that D3? yeah, you’re right, I was holding my vote for a while, didn’t read much of the thread because I got discouraged, plopped a vote on Wiisp but felt like I was voting on the basis of a stale read that hadn’t been updated since D2. I don’t think my vote was actually good, despite that Wiisp flipped wolf, so I don’t blame anyone for thinking I could be partners with him. I didn’t read enough of the thread discussion about him and Aelin to make an educated vote.
