Devs/Mods have got the wrong idea about Neutrals (but mostly Alchemists)

#81

I also specified ignoring the difficulty in proving an actual case.

#82

Alchemist has no way of knowing if a hunter is bearing or not.

#83

People trying to come up with specifics are missing the point that if we just don’t encourage this behavior everybody is happy

It doesn’t need to be super-reportable and clog the reporting system as long as a strong message is sent that you should always try to win, even as a Neutral. That’s it.

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#84

All of the people creating hypothetical situations and those shooting them down are missing the forest for the trees lol

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#85

Put another way, if Alchemist believes Hunter is bearing and attacks him anyway with the intent of dying to bear, he’s gamethrowing.

It’s just a hypothetical to prove the statement, “Alchemist can’t gamethrow” is false.

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#86

I pardoned someone I believed to be the Neutral Killer. My win condition states I must defeat neutrals that seek to do me harm. I am going against what the game instructs me to do.

#87

I’m of the opinion that Alch can pretty much side with who they want, as even in the King vs 2 unseen vs Alch example, there are reasons why an alch might want to side with a king, regardless of whether it helps him win or not.

#88

I know it’s not the main point, I just wanted to prove that statement wrong :stuck_out_tongue:

#89

If your condition was merely “defeat the NK” then yes, you went against it. But your condition also states to defeat Cult. Pardoning the NK is an attempt at fulfilling the entirety of your condition. So it’s not going against it.

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#90

Yeah evils need NK alive early and BD needs them later if cult are getting out of hand.

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#91

I think he understands that but it’s just the issue of semantics that he’s wrong about :stuck_out_tongue:

#92

So after all’s said and done, would a tip such as “You want to end the game as fast as possible to stop any of the factions from being able to kill you. Make your abilities, as well as your vote, count with this in mind.” suffice? Because if you can agree to that I think any more discussion is rather moot.

#93

Just a tip along the lines of, “If you die, you cannot win. The quicker the game ends, the less chance of you dying” is sufficient.

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#94

That’s more like it. My brains not in simplification mode this morning.

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#95

Agreed, but it should be punishable for NKs, fools, scorned, mercs, and sellsword at least. Unlike alchs, they have a win con other than survive. It wouldn’t be fair for the unseen/cult if the NK decided to side with BD and allowed themselves to be killed

It must kill the UNSEEN/CULT. It doesn’t have to help the BD survive as it can win with NK. Now helping the Unseen/cult would be throwing.

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#96

I did forget that part, you are correct.
My mistake there, so thank you.
Was anything else I said wrong or was I close to the mark?

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#97

Fool can throw in similar ways as the Alch by intentional suicide at night.

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#98

Only if bleeding/poisoned :thinking:

#99

Yeah, but then again, is it intentional?
Maybe they didn’t realise they was bleeding/poisoned in the first case.
I’ve missed that before tbh and people got pissed

#100

There are an infinite number of ways a Fool can deliberately suicide but it would be especially difficult in his case to prove it

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