Dreaming Gods and Dreaming Titans FM - Game Over [5/24] - Bellerophon and Pegasus Win!

[Italy]

okay so wazza and leafia are both claiming alignment cop
leafia claims 2 shot while wazza claims infinite
as much as i want to believe wazza is fake because of how high power it is, leafia’s claim just seems like it was an attempt to match their claim’s power based off of my claim and estel’s flip

[Centuries]

Leafia copping me makes 0 sense

[Centuries]

@Vulgard you there? thoughts on intensify? why is he so townlike?

[ChopChop]

@Wazza

@sulit

should be red flag

It’s not a red flag because the same thing applies to both me and you.

@ChopChop

YOUR WRONG

wow good job, figured out the whole damn game.

@ChopChop

Scum can make multiple plays.
Yes scum can use their shot and shoot a Town or they can buss and become a High TR.
I’ve seen scum do it before and win because of it.

The difference between your actual argument and this argument is the fact you’re just guessing a play because the person has done it before, which is what I find stupid. Scum KP is important as hell in this gamemode so I can’t see them just throwing that away to kill their own teammate over more important classes especially when they know the Olympus have a Right Hand Man.

@ChopChop

It makes them away from PoE.

That’s not worth it though in Apprentice’s eyes anyway because it didn’t work now did it?

@ChopChop

You just contradicted yourself here.

That’s…not a contradiction, that’s stating something in a third person POV and stating something that I don’t personally believe but the reality of what’s going on.

@ChopChop

Post Game I want you to realize how oblivious you are and change your meta please and thank you!

My meta doesn’t exist so fuck off, I do the same thing as Town and Scum so that when I’m scum I can’t be found as easily. I’m not changing myself because of some bullshit person giving me a bullshit thing and being like ‘oh my god change urself you moron’ despite the fact you’ve scumread 3 miskilled Town and while I have scumread 2 dead titans and Townread 3 miskilled Town, so even if my so called ‘meta’ is bad, my reads have been so much better than yours this game so you have no right to even try and state that I should change my meta.

@ChopChop

They are Green Checked by Kyo.
Logically you should always lynch Kyo first.

That’s wrong as hell.
If L1ght flips Titan then we lynch Kyo right after due to lying about their result.
If Kyo flips Titan, we have no lead on L1ght lmao, the only thing we know is the fact that they aren’t confirmed.

Either way both could still be Town.
So it’s irrelevant.
I am talking about your Playstyle and that it needs improvement, Meta was the wrong choice of term. My bad.
Look everyone has a different way of doing stuff.
The way you think is good might be fuckin dread awful to someone else.
You need to except everyone has a different way of doing stuff.

[ChopChop]

@Wazza

@Vulgard

I have a fairly solid towncore of 6+ people, tbh. Unless you think I’m shoving scum inside that towncore, you can’t say I’m destroying the towncore. I’m just restructuring it a bit.

I know you’re Town right now, so unless they have a mindwarping ability, you’re still Town in my eyes. You aren’t restructing, you’re being obnoxiously annoying by changing what was already decided before you even got here.

@Vulgard

Because I think he’s being miscleared. What can I say?

Well yes, you can think that, go ahead and think that, more props to you for being suspicious. It’s more of the fact that so many people are saying it that it just seems like scum are hopping on that trend at this point to try and get Apprentice mislynched instead of needing to kill them at night.

@Vulgard

I’d say it hasn’t been terrible. Not that I care about bragging, I just don’t know where you’re deriving these arguments from.

They haven’t been terrible, but they haven’t been good. I’m more of the same.

The important ones in my eyes are Appel, Ash and Cloned, the days kills, in which you’ve done pretty well on that front. 2/3 is always good, while if we look at Mode’s reads and his response to my reads, especially my townreads.

@ChopChop

Ash and Appel shouldn’t be that high.

@ChopChop

As I said I don’t care which one is lynched today.
They are both scum.

Not to mention let’s look at his reads themself using the dead players first of all.

@ChopChop

Appel
Ash
——-

W

Appel and Ash are the top wolves.

@ChopChop

ClonedCheese

Cloned is towards Null (was the same for me also because I hadn’t seen anything from them.

@Vulgard

I still think he’s town, though. I really don’t believe he would be capable of writing these aggressive, yelling posts as scum. He doesn’t play like that as scum. Take a look at Jugdral for an excellent example. I thoroughly cased him in that game, and he was indeed scum.

I’ve never seen him as scum so can’t really help you on that front, but he seems like he would act the same because it’s Seth.

Yeah I’m aware Wazza I played a fuckin horrible game.
But honest dude your not being really helpful here either.
The only thing you have gotten right this game were your Cop checks.
Yes I admit you have done more then me.
But you haven’t solved that well either.

Ok so let’s put it like this.
Name 4 people you believe to be scum assuming I metaphorically get modkilled right here and now and flip Town.

[ChopChop]

@Wazza

2 hours and 43 mins.

@Wazza
Give me the 4 Names before day ends.

[Wazza]

@ChopChop

Either way both could still be Town.

That’s not an excuse of why this place is town. So yes, it is still relevant.

@ChopChop

The way you think is good might be fuckin dread awful to someone else.

Did I ever say my playstyle was good? I said it was better than yours.

[ChopChop]

@Wazza

Update:

Looking back on things, I never explained it lol.

Yes and I’ve explained why Italy is Town quite allot and think Leafia should be lynched here.

[Wazza]

@ChopChop

Name 4 people you believe to be scum assuming I metaphorically get modkilled right here and now and flip Town.

ModeShifter
Italy
CRichard
oB_L1ght

[ChopChop]

@ChopChop

Ok so I’m just pre typing all of this out on notepads.

I’m at work on break using data so I won’t be able to respond to anything until I get home.
Just want to bring up a case on why Appel is most likely scum and why Italy is almost always Town.

So the Nightkills have been on both Mist and Estel.
Whom both of those night Kills makes no sense except if Appel is Mafia.
Meaning that either Mafia wants to kill randomly. Wants to get rid of players who aren’t scum reading me, wants to frame Appel or Appel is scum directing these night kills.

Estel also flipped (2-Shot Tracker)

Making Italy’s Claim Legit.

Now I know what your going to say
“Seth! This doesn’t mean Italy is Town!”
Your absolutely correct.
This point here doesn’t mean Italy is Town but rather means they are 2-Shot Watcher based on the Estel Flip.

But now here’s why Italy is Town.
During day 1 there was no resistance to the Italy wagon and no counterwagon until I intervened and then I became the CW and made a third one at EoD on PKR my highest scum read at the time.

Now here’s something else to bring up.
Centuries got Vanilized and Became Voteless.
Meaning 2 Titans targeted Centuries last night.
Also makes you wonder why they didn’t target Wazza with it.

The answer? Italy is Town.

Chances are Italy would have been on Wazza during the night.
Meaning, if they chose Wazza, Italy would have seen the Titans visit them.
So they needed to choose someone else?
Now why Centuries?
Well. Italy wouldn’t be on them.
Centuries views me as Town and votes with me rather then against me.
Getting rid of Centuries makes it so that’s 1 less Vote they have to worry about to get me lynched.
Also since it’s someone Italy wouldn’t watch it makes the perfect target for them.

Alright so that’s pretty much all I wanted to say.
I’ll see you all after work.

This is the case in Italy I made.

[ChopChop]

On*

[Italy]

the fact that you don’t think leafia is scum is certainly
interesting

[ChopChop]

Looking at ClonedCheese’s Flip it appears they wanted to frame Appel and me at the same time.

[Wazza]

And if not including Italy, then KyoDaz

[ChopChop]

And then we have a Italy case.
Which unless you have a case on why they are scum then you can just accept my case on Italy.
If your still sceptical on them then just throw them in Null.

[ChopChop]

@Wazza

@ChopChop

Name 4 people you believe to be scum assuming I metaphorically get modkilled right here and now and flip Town.

ModeShifter
Italy
CRichard
oB_L1ght

Yo Jackass!
Without my name!

[ChopChop]

@Wazza

And if not including Italy, then KyoDaz

Kyo, CRichard, Light and choose another person other then name and Italy

[Centuries]

I have like

made an iso of cheese

and like

[quote=“Centuries, post:6199, topic:82422, full:true”]

@clonedcheese

Herecs why i say “reads bad”

This is like
NAI
I might do it more as town frankly
So fluff = mafia doesnt hold

@clonedcheese

This looks NAI

Especially someone who said they’ll give less effort

@clonedcheese

I read that post and thought it was town finding and latching onto one thought

That initial thought was wrong so their conclusion is void, but it seemed to me they were just giving thoughts

NAI for me

Can I start the

“Cheese calling someone doing something NAI probably makes them town”

club?

that’s TBE, Light and Estel

@clonedcheese

It’s only been like a few hours

Most of those ppl are probably sleeping

I’m trying to figure out if this is NAI towards the people who were inactive during day 1 and I think it’s NAI and that Light is more townie from this?

@clonedcheese

i see people trying to give reads d1 which as previously noted is bluh

Does him saying that means he’s shading all the people sharing reads? What are the odds Town is among those, pretty high right

@clonedcheese

if “self-aware” means “fuck reads and ima get scumread for that but fuck that too”

that’s a common occurence

He accetps townies reading him as town really easily and reacts to those posts

@clonedcheese

CRich

ima order you to take a break from this thread

you being angry doesn’t help anyone and just makes it no happy

you may return once i finish reading you

go talk to N.1 and Priestess about colleges or something

This really sounds like pocketting and like seeing his reaction to my shot it probably means CRich is town tbh

@clonedcheese

Conclusion:

At the very least CRich’s argument is flawed . A quick change of opinion is indicative of towniness. Additionally one does not need to interact with another player to be able to call them out as scummy.

From their extremely defensive reaction to a light push, I think they might be trying to intimidate the other side into backing down. Not the best strategy, in terms of game enjoyability

If I’m not mistaken, this happened when Ans bussed CRich during SFoL 61.5

Thus
/vote CRichard564

I’m ready for a civil discussion

This looks like more of a

I’m pushing a townie with genuine arguments than

I’m pushing a scummate and I know they are scum

@clonedcheese

at this point yeet pool should be like

everyone minus 3 people

He doesn’t distance himself enough for me to believe the N0 check is onto scum TWL

@clonedcheese

What

In
The
Everlasting
Fuck

There’s something callled sleep

Give me a moment while i see why i have 8 pinhs

Genuine anger means EVO is probably town aswell it makes my TRs even more townie, he doen’t interact with my SRs (I mean Light but he’s greenchecked so probably on me for SRing)

@clonedcheese

With all due respect

Fuck everyone who thinks this

Italy scum? Or shading post mortem? I think Italy looks worse

@clonedcheese

Off to dream land i go

Problem is i have no cluebwho to vote

Sleepy brain deems wazza smart

/vote modeshifter

Am probably stupid but whatever
Will be back in about 8 hours

Seth is town and if you’re pushing for a Seth lynch today then LOL

@clonedcheese

uh

ok?

(Look up this post for like context)

but

His reaction to Italy being SR’d is like

much weirder

@clonedcheese

W h a t

This man

Actally had 5 town lol

@clonedcheese

let me take my class in peace

[quote=“clonedcheese, post:3152, topic:82422”]

@KyoDaz

cloned is in this game? LOL
[/quote]

like

I’m fairly sure this is

on purpose and not genuine

Cheese was a 80 poster not some 0 poster

Kyo looks hella weird ngl :I

[quote=“clonedcheese, post:4209, topic:82422”]

@Centuries

estel appel ash

thats the weirdest part of the game
[/quote]

@Centuries

I don’t see a world where none of them are scum

YOO IM INSANE

@clonedcheese

But but but
Scum mode would also be anti town
So that would appear the same

Tinfoil Cloned only uses this emoji when scum talks to him and seeing how TWL and Kyo both only got quoted once by him in 100 posts it could be a scumtell

other option is seth town

@clonedcheese

C

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First Intensify quote

kek

@clonedcheese

@Centuries

I got roleblocked by scum JUST LAST NIGHT
[/quote]

…weren’t you the vanillized one

He throws shade on me

Italy scummier imoimo

@clonedcheese

…it’s not that good and i want to talk to the ppl concerning it

Cuz im kinda confuses at it

This + Intensify’s original message

still a worse look in my book

@clonedcheese

Kyo is what they claim

my issue with this is that

@clonedcheese

TWL is 2-shot jailkeep

Kyo is pairity cop

later on he says the following

@clonedcheese

TWL is fake

Centuries is fake

so why does he say my name

like obviously i shot him

BUT

wouldnt he say Kyo is fake

thats giga tinfoil but did he really check Kyo

Kyo Intensify Italy Cloned Hippo [x]

hype

[Italy]

@ChopChop

and flip Town.

@Wazza

ModeShifter

outstanding move

[Centuries]

ok just imagine the quotes are ok