Dreaming Gods and Dreaming Titans FM - Game Over [5/24] - Bellerophon and Pegasus Win!

[Appelsiini]

This did get us valuable information, though. Bleh.

L1ght, do you now want to answer my questions?

[Aelin]

I already am in a second tab

[EVO]

Notice me :^(

[ash4fun]

@Centuries

EVEN IF WE LYNCH ITALY AND HE FLIPS W

Where do we go from there

VCA, iso’s, just…reading and interacting?

You make it sound like cuddling w!italy is a lose condition…

[Aelin]

Wazza's posts I liked

@Wazza

Okay so I have a question for you.

You clearly have a lot of posts in the chat and it’s clear you have a main wolfread in Ash and I of course, read the context of the reasoning. Based on what I see in the posts leading up to this, I more or less believe what Ash did was Town, you’re entitled to your own reasoning, yes but I want to know how you came to the conclusion that it makes Ash scum? Based on what I see here, Ash voted you to get you to explain your townread and that’s what you did, but then your post later on uses that as a reason against Ash without including the other parts.

@Wazza

@CRichard564

I don’t like Ash’s progression for suddenly scum reading me. He was town reading me and then suddenly decides I’m scum and votes me up. Does that sound like something a townie would do?

That’s why I’m scum reading him.

I think you completely misinterpreted what was going on. Ash didn’t state he scumreaded you at the time where you began scumreading him, what he stated was he didn’t like how you suddenly got to ‘This can’t come from a wolf’ and he wanted an explanation for that so he placed pressure on you, in which you reacted horribly, from my perspective.

Not to mention, you did not answer my question just then. Why did you leave certain things out of the reasoning you scumread him?

@Wazza

No no, I’m not defending him, not at all, I just said I see his progress as Town while you see it as Scum.
I can see your reasoning, especially since you’re the one he’s against so it’s understandable, but what I am saying is you left out quotes that without could make a person look more scummy than they actually did, and that’s something I’m not a big fan off.

@Wazza

@Centuries

Wazza time, I thought he was townlike but I’m looking for more than him getting angry at PoE

I would’ve gotten angrier if this was old me, I’ve only swore once this game and that’s an accomplishment.

@Centuries

I TR Ash, why do you think Ash scum?

Correction, as stated further down I stated ‘I never said I townread Ash, all I stated was that the reasoning he gave was townie and your read is completely diffferent to what I read from the same exact posts.’
Not to mention, I was tunneling CRich in a way to not say ‘I want you dead’ or ‘I scumread you’ but instead in a way to get him to admit what he had done or at the very least realise what he had done when he talked about his scumread on Ash earlier, which he later noticed and talked about.

@Centuries

idk it’s really easy to argue agaisnt that and the issue with Wazza ISO is that he just jumps down the rabbit hole and never quits it

I would like an explanation based on this.

@Centuries

I don’t even care about the PoE/Lynchpool argument, agree to disagree

Then why constantly post your lynchpool idea?

@Centuries

My issue is that he has really little content outside of this like half his posts are just around CRich and Lynchpool argument so I’d like to see more

The issue is, 2 hours after the game started, I went sleep and woke up at around 4am-ish my time so 7 hours later. Meaning my only content is from 7 hours into the game and later, in which I took an hour break and when I arrived, I began my argument on Richard.

It’s been a little more than 16 hours, and compared to some I have posted quite a bit of content that it makes this ISO on me look shabby, in my opinion.

@Wazza

@Centuries

If you can successfully make me believe a very low poster is scum and it flips scum I will become your number one fan

Sure thing. Italy’s meta is being inactive as scum, you can see from games like BotF 2 and BotF 4. Not to mention they usually meme a lot and always seem not interactive with the thread which is a clear giveaway this game.

@Centuries

Not a scum with no interactions though! You can just look at VCA and you still could get something but usually scum wont just pile onto a cw / outside of the wagon

Of course, but all scum are bound to interact, even if they don’t interact back. Just look at some games where I was just vibing as scum and my fellow scum whacked the wagon away from me D1, we still won but you know.

@Centuries

You being in the lynch candidate list doesn’t mean I want you dead, it just means I personally don’t have an extreme opposition to lynching you (at the time of posting this)

Below the post you stated ‘Removed players who are low-no content posters or have not done many scummy things.’ I would like to know the scummy things I did, to be honest.

[Centuries]

my girl/man ash 500 posts behind

[EVO]

Did you post this because you feel pressured to look active?

[Wazza]

/vote Centuries

This is fake as fuck.

[Aelin]

No, I posted it because Appel asked me which of Wazza posts I liked

[Centuries]

@Wazza

This is fake as fuck.

yes it was

[Wazza]

No I mean, the reactions, this entire build up seems like you two put this together.

[EVO]

And you did it like a good little townie, huh?

[Centuries]

@Wazza

you two put this together.

meh

im still pushing him

/vote L1ght

[Aelin]

This is the ISO I was referring to. It's complex, it's detailed, and it goes throughout the entire game.

[quote=“clonedcheese, post:981, topic:82422, full:true”]
Alright
So
Ima try and actually read through ISO

Early game:

@CRichard564

Remember everyone, a town that works together is a town that wins.

Opener: NAI. Shows initiative for thread control - indicative of CRich being themselves

@CRichard564

These are the posts which make me think Centuries in his town meta this game.

I’m town leaning Centuries.

Classifying people early on - also seems natural
I would like a little more on this take however

@CRichard564

Though I can tell you that his posts are town motivated as I’ve seen similar posts from his slot before when he plays as town.

Although tgis is flawed, strongly taking a stance feels natural

@CRichard564

I have a feeling Intensify isn’t group scum here.

Why is he asking questions in the main thread which could be answered by his group scum if he were group scum?

Fyi bad argument because nost groupscum are too lazy to go ask that in their chat unless it’s really telling
Gives you a tiny bit of towncred too
At least i am when im groupscum

@CRichard564

I haven’t seen any deviations from his town meta this game.

Id like to see this develop over the game
At this time i think centuries is a good enough player to be same as both alignments

@CRichard564

So far I’m liking Appel from her posts so far.

Consistent with town meta - going one by one and reading them, even if it’s really early in the game

@CRichard564

I’m reading Estel as town lean because of their tone.

Again more early definitions - normal if not towny of crich

@CRichard564

States the obvious here without trying to read into Estel’s motivations to determine if they are pushing from a town or scum PoV.

Paranoia of being ML kicks in to send massive red flags from this, but at least classifying me as scummy seems ok ish. I have no idea where they’re talking about “states the obvious” tho. Would usually hard scumread for this, but since the same thing happened in FoL 28 (where i was ss), i think they’re likely town here

Ash arc:
Problematic statement was

@CRichard564

I can’t 100% prove to you that my posts don’t come from a scum PoV D1 as only I know 100% I’m not scum.

The only way to know either way is by asking questions.

I say this is normal thing for a town to say
But then:

@ash4fun

/vote CRichard564

for taking a position that is imo indefensible without tmi

W h o a
I say this is a bold accusation

CRich responds with:

@CRichard564

If I get jettisoned today, vigs should kill anyone who pushed me today.

They are probably scum here.

Now that’s what i call defensive
Quite an overreaction to 1 person voting

@CRichard564

Any way vigs kill Ash if I get jettisoned today.

@CRichard564

I think Ash is trying to push for a mis Jettison here.

/vote Ash

first I appreciate their commitment to “jettison”
but this feels incredibly overreactiony
like
why
ash didn’t even push CRich that hard, they were just like “wow this seems weird”
not very different from their own occasional pushes

@CRichard564

He claimed to town read me and now he scum reads me.

That is not town progression, that is a wolf.

…do I sense a deathtunnel

@CRichard564

Everyone I think Mist and Ash are open wolfing here.

openwolfing d1
goodie

[quote=“CRichard564, post:664, topic:82422”]

@ash4fun

In your original post on TWL, you said nothing regarding meta. It wasn’t until 15-20 posts later that you brought up meta as a reason. And even then, you haven’t said anything about their meta except “I have meta on him”. When asking for more details regarding what about their meta clears them, I get “vig ash”.

I’m sorry, but I don’t see that your read was “obviously from meta”
[/quote]

There you go folks. This is a wolf.

…yup this is a deathtunnel
i don’t see why that post is wolfy in particular
and they don’t explain it

@CRichard564

As far as I’m concerned, you and Ash are both wolves trying to get me killed.

Why would I want to address you?

w hat

And then:

@CRichard564

Maybe you should go away from the keyboard. If you are town, you are the most anti-town I’ve ever seen so far.

@CRichard564

@ash4fun

fine. don’t address us.

explain why our pushes are unreasonable, to anyone else.
[/quote]

So why should I think that you town reading to suddenly scum reading me this fast come from a town PoV? Convince me why as I’m calling on vigs to kill your slot tonight.

@CRichard564

I’m putting Mist on my ignore list. He is not helping at all.

@CRichard564

I hope a vig kills Mist’s slot tonight. Hello wolf.

@CRichard564

You really think I’m that good at faking anger from what you’ve seen so far?

Go on explain it right now.

@CRichard564

Oh really you just caught on right now?

Did you manage to enroll into MENSA? Clap clap.

@CRichard564

Wow I’m so impressed.

@CRichard564

Hopefully vigs kill both Mist and Ash tonight.

@CRichard564

And why should I believe you when you’re doing the opposite?

Go on sell me your story and perhaps I’ll change my mind.

@CRichard564

Of course you don’t pay attention.

@CRichard564

Right now if I could jettison anyone with 1 vote, it would be you or Ash.

Keep trying, you’re not trying hard enough.

@CRichard564

Do you want a trophy?

@CRichard564

As far as I’m concerned Mist. You weren’t interacting with my slot at all and then you push me out of no where. How is that not a scum vote?

@CRichard564

The ball is in your court to explain how this is town motivated.

Go on show me.

@CRichard564

Want to give up now?

@CRichard564

I’ll start thinking your push on me might be town motivated the moment I stop calling on vigs to kill your slot. Deal?

@CRichard564

No deal then? How disappointing.

Wow.
I quoted almost every post here up until that point
like
Wow.

@CRichard564

Good I don’t want to talk to you right now.

@CRichard564

As if logic is going to win over someone who scum reads me for illogical reasons.

I’m not stupid you know.

@CRichard564

Well thanks. Shall I show up at your office then?

Ok someone needs to chill
like
Light wasn’t involved

@CRichard564

As far as I can tell, Ash and Mist have shown no reason that makes me believe their push on me is town motivated. Why would Ash town lean me and suddenly push me if he were town?

In what world would town Ash pushing me make sense?
I’m still waiting.

Look at Mist. Doesn’t interact with my slot and scum reads me for a reason that doesn’t exist.
Where is the town motivation there?

This is the most descriptive post as to why they are accusing Ash and Mist to be openwolfing. 1) the argument is flawed, but 2) that was extremely firey

@CRichard564

Does this progression make you think town or scum?

This is what I’m talking about in “flawed”
It’s extremely towny to switch opinions fast based on transpiring events

Conclusion:
At the very least CRich’s argument is flawed . A quick change of opinion is indicative of towniness. Additionally one does not need to interact with another player to be able to call them out as scummy.

From their extremely defensive reaction to a light push, I think they might be trying to intimidate the other side into backing down. Not the best strategy, in terms of game enjoyability

If I’m not mistaken, this happened when Ans bussed CRich during SFoL 61.5

Thus
/vote CRichard564

I’m ready for a civil discussion

[ash4fun]

this feels a little IioA
Idk tho

[Aelin]

Yeah, no. This was obviously just a cheap claimgrab which I fell for like a dolt

[Centuries]

I like seeing my slot in danger it makes the game more fun

not that i am in danger lmao

[Wazza]

@Centuries

i hope u dont flip town because otherwise i also die lol

@Aelin

Wait shit are you actually being serious? BAKA

@Centuries

yes of course can you actually care

@Aelin

Well jfc

Sheep my reads
my final message
goodbye

@Centuries

yes i shot light

@Aelin

Centuries if this is real I’m going to scream at you
idfc if it gets me banned Greek Mythology is literally UP MY ALLEY

@Aelin

Fuck it
I’m not dead til I’m dead

I claim Jason the Argonaut

Read this, this looks disgusting and is so bad, this just looks horrible together and like you two faked this.

[Centuries]

well you’re wrong but ok i can see it from your pov

[Aelin]

Alternatively, I present: I thought he was joking (until I psyched myself out of it) and he was