Dreaming Gods and Dreaming Titans FM - Game Over [5/24] - Bellerophon and Pegasus Win!

[TheBlueElixir]

no

I doubt town knows the anti claim though

thatd be rather counter intuitive

still think its weird we have a claimer alive though

[Centuries]

@TheBlueElixir

still think its weird we have a claimer alive though

hmm

weird

[Intensify]

I have this slight feeling that spectators are yelling at either us or each other right now about something… just this slight feeling

[Intensify]

Also I’ve realized, I’ve pretty much been Townleaning literally everyone who hearts my posts

[Italy]

@Hippolytus

flavor/claim vig exists.

@Hippolytus

flavor

[Intensify]

@clonedcheese

Oh boy
You’re in for a treat

@ash4fun

PokemonKidRyan - Refuses to acknowledge votes as anything but pressure, dismisses pressure.

Hold on what are they are in for @clonedcheese

[Intensify]

@clonedcheese

@ash4fun

Reads are kinda meh, and I’m inclined to think it’s lazy

Oh boy
You’re in for a treat

This one, @clonedcheese explain plz

[ash4fun]

@Aelin

The more I look at this the worse it gets. Centuries legitimately said that this was Alice’s post… and quoted Alice…

@Aelin

/vote Intensify as well

early reads, slightly sheeped. Looks alright.

@Aelin

Estel’s RT on TBE is a good look for both of them, ngl

early reads, me likey

@Aelin

Hullo, CRich. This has been… interesting, to say the least. I understand that you’re upset - being scumread isn’t fun. But you need to be logical in order to help people see that, if you’re town.

I really like this post. Assuming we trust crich’s slankvig claim, this looks like neither burying nor tmi-protecting nor staying away, which are all reasonable paths more likely for scum.

@Aelin

Here; I’m going to be logical, because I feel like this has all just blown out of proportion. People chose to put pressure on your slot because you made a read, and then you didn’t use any factual evidence to back it up. I know it seemed factual to you, but other people might not have been seeing it the same way you did. While a tonal/meta read is good, it’s better if you can show it it is similar to previous games.

Like, if CRich is town then light is also town here. (not 100% lock but rather confident) Possible coaching equity, hence the “if crich town”

@Aelin

And, currently, the general PoE should just be whoever isn’t confirmed with a greencheck.

Not sure I feel about how he wants to instantly clear the “greenchecks” but ig maybe he thought they were real enough?

@Aelin

Reads

Mode, TL, and Centuries - Not touching this with a 10 foot pole, I’m just going to assume town until given reason to otherwise
CRich - Slight townlean - The instant OMGUS and defensiveness reminds me entirely of ToS2, but also I think that any wolf would have a bit more self-consciousness rather than becoming the highlight of D1.
TheBlueElixir - Slight townlean - Their attempt to play more serious is a good look for them, and so far, they haven’t done anything that’s pinged me as scummy. They’re also promoting activity and discussion with their votes, so I’m liking that, too.
Intensify - Wavering between scumlean and null - Their start was pretty poor, and it felt like they were forcing themselves to look active, as can be seen on posts 72 and 374. However, they did have a better-ish readlist later in the day.
Estel - Townlean - They had multiple good reactions throughout the day, and a pretty good RT with TBE that I was able to follow pretty well.
Mist - Null - They seem to be hedging and nitpicking in a lot of their posts, as if they’re looking for reasons to scumread someone. For example, you have calling Kyo’s reaction fake. But, then there’s the whole interaction with CRich in which they were trying to figure things out instead of just pushing a player with a bunch of spew and a bit of traction already. The good and bad are kinda balancing each other, will wait for more content to re-evaluate. there’s also the fact that they said uwu so actually lockscum
Sulit - Slight scumlean - Their first 20 posts or so were almost entirely just shitposts, and they made like a single read on App and then just didn’t really do… anything.
Wazza - Locktown because Wazza <3 - Seriously, though, Townlean - They’ve been decently active, and haven’t seemed to be pushing any agenda. They also interacted with both of the wagons at the time. They’ve also had a pretty good thought process in their wallposts, but I’d like to see some more reads.
Hippoyeetus - Lock-Hippo? - I have no idea how to read this slot. It’s almost constant memeing, which I’m pretty sure is NAI for them.
clonedcheese - Slight townlean - Mostly just cause of their ISO on CRich showing some good progression, I simply don’t agree with the conclusion
ash4fun - Scumlean - They start off with saying they’ll tunnel highposters, which only promotes inactivity, and multiple of their reactions feel faked, such as the “hol’ up, who has a n0 on centuries” post, and there’s hedge on a bunch of their shit.
Apprentice - Townlean - We had the same exact thought process on Intensify, and they’ve been making reads unprompted as well.
KyoDaz - Slight scumlean - They’ve been too focused on small things, and have been grabbing at things (such as Hippo’s obviously fake readlist). I’m willing to chalk it up to annoyance at CFM2, but without going “lolmeta” it seems scummy.
Appelsini - Null - They were pretty aggressive towards Blue’s early game, but then turned around and made reads based on TBE’s reads. I’d say that giant rantpost against CRich is NAI as well, and I’m not seeing too much other content. They aren’t fluffposting, but I’m not getting any real vibes from either side from them.
EVO - Townlean - They have few posts, but lots of content. Plenty of reads as well. but also like Wazza townlock bcuz EVO <3
Italy - Scumlean - 11 posts and absolutely 0 content
PKR - Null - Only like 10 posts, pretty spread out, and a single read (and on Seth, out of all people). I’m just gonna give this time
an_gorta - Has done nothing

pretty good reads for D1, evidence of high effort, or at least paying attention to thread in a reading sort of way.

@Aelin

They aren’t unquestionable town, I’m simply leaving it alone unless any of them want to claim a RT or there’s info that disproves any of it

This explains greencheck claims reaction better, and I like them more for it. Although publicly believing it really isn’t AI to begin with.

@Aelin

@Hippolytus

Light keeps doing that crosses out sentence thing which I scumread for some reason. It sounds dumb but usually Scum want to make sure their jokes are obvious jokes because they dont want people to scumread over them.

Excuse me what

@Hippolytus

Did I stutter?

@Aelin

Fucking probably

This doesn’t really feel w/w, like I feel like it’s soo much easier for hippo to pull this on town than on scumbuddy.

@Aelin

If I’m being honest, I don’t really like the sudden build on Italy’s wagon. They’re known to slank no matter what, and they’ve given absolutely zero spew. If we lynch them, no matter what, we’re back at square one again tomorrow.

might be preflipping a bit but if italy W then there’s a smidge of w/w equity there. Could also just be a normal read. (I def both make and SR “i don’t like flashwagon” defences)

@Aelin

Reads based on deaths

an_gorta

@an_gorta_pratai

Eh, I’ll bite /vote Mode

@an_gorta_pratai

I would rather lynch Italy, but this is also fine

@an_gorta_pratai

For the record I don’t SR Italy for not posting much, I SR him for have very little content and not trying to solve

an_gorta was a lowposter, and their death makes no sense unless it was because of their reads or random. Obviously, this looks bad for Mode and Italy.
Mist

@Mistyx

/vote intensify

@Mistyx

I don’t think that’s particularly wolfy?

@Mistyx

at least not for sulit it isn’t, that’s what I’ve come to expect from her as both alignments

@Mistyx

/vote CRich

@Mistyx

/vote italy

@Mistyx

town:
Estel / Mode / TL

scum:
Italy / Crich / either centuries or kyo unsure which

@Mistyx

I think sulit is v fwiw

@Mistyx

blueelixer is scum, he’s fallen off lately and I don’t like his push on italy that much

@Mistyx

/vote Italy

@Mistyx

pkr v
mode v

Mist has a lot more content than an_gorta, positive points for Mode, sulit, Estel, and TL, bad look for, once again, Italy, TBE, CRich and apparently Cent/Kyo are different alignments.
Hippo

@Hippolytus

/vote kyodaz

@Hippolytus

sulit vote someone xD

Feels like coaching, or maybe a scum telling another scum to start doing something

@TheBlueElixir

Some posts from Hippo I got town pings from

Self-explaining

@Hippolytus

/vote wazza

@Hippolytus

Why are you voting me?

Towards EVO

@Hippolytus

Anyway threadatate p awful.

/vote modeshifter

@Hippolytus

Light keeps doing that crosses out sentence thing which I scumread for some reason. It sounds dumb but usually Scum want to make sure their jokes are obvious jokes because they dont want people to scumread over them.

The fuck kinda read was that?

@Hippolytus

yeah i agree wtf was that obvious reaciton test and how did light somehow fall for it. i call bs.

@Hippolytus

i swear you kept voting light after the test?

Shading Centuries and I

@Hippolytus

Liked ash mode and tbe so far.

He voted mode though…

@Hippolytus

u didnt pressure me u just voted me cuz wazza did lol

Again, to EVO
Feels like he’s uncomfortable with EVO’s presence in thread

@Hippolytus

I townread seth he was legit the only one who tried to organise POE and stop everyone milling around in thread at start of day.

@Hippolytus

I was gonna switch off italy but the resistance of his lynch despite him doing nothing makes me wanna stay on, I think hes more likely bad as a result.

@Hippolytus

I have u mode and waz as town, dislike centuries light sulit Italy which I’ve said.

“u” being ash

@Hippolytus

/vote sulit

Sulits been in thread more than italy but has been equally useless and had way less pressure than them.

( Hippo’s claim )
I’d say Kyo had a good reaction to it, being pissed that what he thought was the “right hand man” revealing, which severely limited down based on Hippo’s abilities.

So, now that we have Hippo as flipped scum, we can make some interesting conclusions. Town points for Wazza (due to the redcheck), Kyo, EVO, Centuries (and me), and kinda Sulit, as well as meh for Italy & Mode, and it definitely doesn’t look good for ash and TBE.

VCA

@Marshal

Accused	Voters	Votes
PokemonKidRyan	Estel, ModeShifter, Intensify, Appelsiini, Centuries, Apprentice	6/13
ModeShifter	PKR, an_gorta_pratai, clonedcheese, ash4fun	4/13
Italy	EVO, TheBlueElixir, Mist1422, Wazza	4/13
Mist1422	Crichard564, KyoDaz	2/13
Appelsiini	sulit	1/13
Intensify	MaximusPrime	1/13
sulit	Hippoyeetus

PKR: I would say this looks the worst for Estel, Mode, and Italy, but mainly Mode and Italy. Mode pushed the vote off of Italy really quickly around EoD, and the lack of resistance on PKR makes it look a lot like an intended mislynch.
Mode now has two confirmed scum voting him, one of which was the mislynch and one of which was an unexpected nightkill.
Italy has a confirmed town and a spewed town voting him (Mist and Wazza). I’d say that there is a great chance, if not certainty, that there is at least one scum between Mode and Italy.

I like this a little bit. Spew look pretty good, VCA seems rather off.

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Conclusion: Moderate townlean, not really anything clearing. Seems like a good canadate for D3/D4 reevaluation.

[TheBlueElixir]

because cheese doesnt usually make reads

yes im answering for them but its a bit straight foward

[ash4fun]

The “reads are eh, prob lazy not newbish” was about Intensify, not cheese. (also before I knew that he actually was sorta new)

[Intensify]

This is my second and half game right now…

[clonedcheese]

why me pingus

@clonedcheese

@ash4fun

Reads are kinda meh, and I’m inclined to think it’s lazy

Oh boy
You’re in for a treat

@Intensify

This one, @clonedcheese explain plz

cuz meh reads are common, especially if you think you’re a good player

[Aelin]

I’ve been summoned by an email.

I’m glad someone took the time to look at my slot, thanks Ash.

Instead of subtly shading, I’ll do it overtly and I’m going to ask why Appel decided not to after I asked them directly and they said they would.

[Intensify]

Hmmmm from the info I am gathering, Italy’s lynch might reveal a couple things for me, but I’ll stick with Maximus for now

[Intensify]

Actually time to pong @MaximusPrime

Sorry to bother you but could you give us a readlist please? I’ll help you probably.

[Intensify]

Ok I read up a little bit more and go to sleep or something now.

More fun facts to end the day though

Fun Fact

Space is dope. Be an astronaut. Idk why I say this here but lol

[ChopChop]

@ash4fun

@ChopChop

Lol.
You won’t say you love them.
Yeah @Estel
Sucks to be you buckeroo! Thanks for telling me that your scum with Ash! Makes solving this game allot easy for me Tbh.

Like, I’ve never gone for a policy cuddle and I don’t intend to…but this is the sort of stuff that causes ppl in my position to do that.

Although if there is a policy-inclined vig out there, you do you. Plus if there’s a italy W or maxi V flip, mode is like 90% W

It’s an RT.

[ChopChop]

To see if he slipped

[ChopChop]

Slips*

[ChopChop]

@ash4fun

@Aelin

The more I look at this the worse it gets. Centuries legitimately said that this was Alice’s post… and quoted Alice…

@Aelin

/vote Intensify as well

early reads, slightly sheeped. Looks alright.

@Aelin

Estel’s RT on TBE is a good look for both of them, ngl

early reads, me likey

@Aelin

Hullo, CRich. This has been… interesting, to say the least. I understand that you’re upset - being scumread isn’t fun. But you need to be logical in order to help people see that, if you’re town.

I really like this post. Assuming we trust crich’s slankvig claim, this looks like neither burying nor tmi-protecting nor staying away, which are all reasonable paths more likely for scum.

@Aelin

Here; I’m going to be logical, because I feel like this has all just blown out of proportion. People chose to put pressure on your slot because you made a read, and then you didn’t use any factual evidence to back it up. I know it seemed factual to you, but other people might not have been seeing it the same way you did. While a tonal/meta read is good, it’s better if you can show it it is similar to previous games.

Like, if CRich is town then light is also town here. (not 100% lock but rather confident) Possible coaching equity, hence the “if crich town”

@Aelin

And, currently, the general PoE should just be whoever isn’t confirmed with a greencheck.

Not sure I feel about how he wants to instantly clear the “greenchecks” but ig maybe he thought they were real enough?

@Aelin

Reads

Mode, TL, and Centuries - Not touching this with a 10 foot pole, I’m just going to assume town until given reason to otherwise
CRich - Slight townlean - The instant OMGUS and defensiveness reminds me entirely of ToS2, but also I think that any wolf would have a bit more self-consciousness rather than becoming the highlight of D1.
TheBlueElixir - Slight townlean - Their attempt to play more serious is a good look for them, and so far, they haven’t done anything that’s pinged me as scummy. They’re also promoting activity and discussion with their votes, so I’m liking that, too.
Intensify - Wavering between scumlean and null - Their start was pretty poor, and it felt like they were forcing themselves to look active, as can be seen on posts 72 and 374. However, they did have a better-ish readlist later in the day.
Estel - Townlean - They had multiple good reactions throughout the day, and a pretty good RT with TBE that I was able to follow pretty well.
Mist - Null - They seem to be hedging and nitpicking in a lot of their posts, as if they’re looking for reasons to scumread someone. For example, you have calling Kyo’s reaction fake. But, then there’s the whole interaction with CRich in which they were trying to figure things out instead of just pushing a player with a bunch of spew and a bit of traction already. The good and bad are kinda balancing each other, will wait for more content to re-evaluate. there’s also the fact that they said uwu so actually lockscum
Sulit - Slight scumlean - Their first 20 posts or so were almost entirely just shitposts, and they made like a single read on App and then just didn’t really do… anything.
Wazza - Locktown because Wazza <3 - Seriously, though, Townlean - They’ve been decently active, and haven’t seemed to be pushing any agenda. They also interacted with both of the wagons at the time. They’ve also had a pretty good thought process in their wallposts, but I’d like to see some more reads.
Hippoyeetus - Lock-Hippo? - I have no idea how to read this slot. It’s almost constant memeing, which I’m pretty sure is NAI for them.
clonedcheese - Slight townlean - Mostly just cause of their ISO on CRich showing some good progression, I simply don’t agree with the conclusion
ash4fun - Scumlean - They start off with saying they’ll tunnel highposters, which only promotes inactivity, and multiple of their reactions feel faked, such as the “hol’ up, who has a n0 on centuries” post, and there’s hedge on a bunch of their shit.
Apprentice - Townlean - We had the same exact thought process on Intensify, and they’ve been making reads unprompted as well.
KyoDaz - Slight scumlean - They’ve been too focused on small things, and have been grabbing at things (such as Hippo’s obviously fake readlist). I’m willing to chalk it up to annoyance at CFM2, but without going “lolmeta” it seems scummy.
Appelsini - Null - They were pretty aggressive towards Blue’s early game, but then turned around and made reads based on TBE’s reads. I’d say that giant rantpost against CRich is NAI as well, and I’m not seeing too much other content. They aren’t fluffposting, but I’m not getting any real vibes from either side from them.
EVO - Townlean - They have few posts, but lots of content. Plenty of reads as well. but also like Wazza townlock bcuz EVO <3
Italy - Scumlean - 11 posts and absolutely 0 content
PKR - Null - Only like 10 posts, pretty spread out, and a single read (and on Seth, out of all people). I’m just gonna give this time
an_gorta - Has done nothing

pretty good reads for D1, evidence of high effort, or at least paying attention to thread in a reading sort of way.

@Aelin

They aren’t unquestionable town, I’m simply leaving it alone unless any of them want to claim a RT or there’s info that disproves any of it

This explains greencheck claims reaction better, and I like them more for it. Although publicly believing it really isn’t AI to begin with.

@Aelin

@Hippolytus

Light keeps doing that crosses out sentence thing which I scumread for some reason. It sounds dumb but usually Scum want to make sure their jokes are obvious jokes because they dont want people to scumread over them.

Excuse me what

@Hippolytus

Did I stutter?

@Aelin

Fucking probably

This doesn’t really feel w/w, like I feel like it’s soo much easier for hippo to pull this on town than on scumbuddy.

@Aelin

If I’m being honest, I don’t really like the sudden build on Italy’s wagon. They’re known to slank no matter what, and they’ve given absolutely zero spew. If we lynch them, no matter what, we’re back at square one again tomorrow.

might be preflipping a bit but if italy W then there’s a smidge of w/w equity there. Could also just be a normal read. (I def both make and SR “i don’t like flashwagon” defences)

@Aelin

Reads based on deaths

an_gorta

@an_gorta_pratai

Eh, I’ll bite /vote Mode

@an_gorta_pratai

I would rather lynch Italy, but this is also fine

@an_gorta_pratai

For the record I don’t SR Italy for not posting much, I SR him for have very little content and not trying to solve

an_gorta was a lowposter, and their death makes no sense unless it was because of their reads or random. Obviously, this looks bad for Mode and Italy.
Mist

@Mistyx

/vote intensify

@Mistyx

I don’t think that’s particularly wolfy?

@Mistyx

at least not for sulit it isn’t, that’s what I’ve come to expect from her as both alignments

@Mistyx

/vote CRich

@Mistyx

/vote italy

@Mistyx

town:
Estel / Mode / TL

scum:
Italy / Crich / either centuries or kyo unsure which

@Mistyx

I think sulit is v fwiw

@Mistyx

blueelixer is scum, he’s fallen off lately and I don’t like his push on italy that much

@Mistyx

/vote Italy

@Mistyx

pkr v
mode v

Mist has a lot more content than an_gorta, positive points for Mode, sulit, Estel, and TL, bad look for, once again, Italy, TBE, CRich and apparently Cent/Kyo are different alignments.
Hippo

@Hippolytus

/vote kyodaz

@Hippolytus

sulit vote someone xD

Feels like coaching, or maybe a scum telling another scum to start doing something

@TheBlueElixir

Some posts from Hippo I got town pings from

Self-explaining

@Hippolytus

/vote wazza

@Hippolytus

Why are you voting me?

Towards EVO

@Hippolytus

Anyway threadatate p awful.

/vote modeshifter

@Hippolytus

Light keeps doing that crosses out sentence thing which I scumread for some reason. It sounds dumb but usually Scum want to make sure their jokes are obvious jokes because they dont want people to scumread over them.

The fuck kinda read was that?

@Hippolytus

yeah i agree wtf was that obvious reaciton test and how did light somehow fall for it. i call bs.

@Hippolytus

i swear you kept voting light after the test?

Shading Centuries and I

@Hippolytus

Liked ash mode and tbe so far.

He voted mode though…

@Hippolytus

u didnt pressure me u just voted me cuz wazza did lol

Again, to EVO
Feels like he’s uncomfortable with EVO’s presence in thread

@Hippolytus

I townread seth he was legit the only one who tried to organise POE and stop everyone milling around in thread at start of day.

@Hippolytus

I was gonna switch off italy but the resistance of his lynch despite him doing nothing makes me wanna stay on, I think hes more likely bad as a result.

@Hippolytus

I have u mode and waz as town, dislike centuries light sulit Italy which I’ve said.

“u” being ash

@Hippolytus

/vote sulit

Sulits been in thread more than italy but has been equally useless and had way less pressure than them.

( Hippo’s claim )
I’d say Kyo had a good reaction to it, being pissed that what he thought was the “right hand man” revealing, which severely limited down based on Hippo’s abilities.

So, now that we have Hippo as flipped scum, we can make some interesting conclusions. Town points for Wazza (due to the redcheck), Kyo, EVO, Centuries (and me), and kinda Sulit, as well as meh for Italy & Mode, and it definitely doesn’t look good for ash and TBE.

VCA

@Marshal

Accused	Voters	Votes
PokemonKidRyan	Estel, ModeShifter, Intensify, Appelsiini, Centuries, Apprentice	6/13
ModeShifter	PKR, an_gorta_pratai, clonedcheese, ash4fun	4/13
Italy	EVO, TheBlueElixir, Mist1422, Wazza	4/13
Mist1422	Crichard564, KyoDaz	2/13
Appelsiini	sulit	1/13
Intensify	MaximusPrime	1/13
sulit	Hippoyeetus

PKR: I would say this looks the worst for Estel, Mode, and Italy, but mainly Mode and Italy. Mode pushed the vote off of Italy really quickly around EoD, and the lack of resistance on PKR makes it look a lot like an intended mislynch.
Mode now has two confirmed scum voting him, one of which was the mislynch and one of which was an unexpected nightkill.
Italy has a confirmed town and a spewed town voting him (Mist and Wazza). I’d say that there is a great chance, if not certainty, that there is at least one scum between Mode and Italy.

I like this a little bit. Spew look pretty good, VCA seems rather off.

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Conclusion: Moderate townlean, not really anything clearing. Seems like a good canadate for D3/D4 reevaluation.

Lol.
Do you plan to townread all your scum buddies?

Ok so let’s play a game.
Let’s say you are scum.
Would you Town Read all your scum buddies?
Assuming you could get away with it.