Fair enough
If anything Duchess should be a bit stronger than Marshal
Removing a Sheriff is on average better than removing a Princess
Then should Snoop have unlimited uses?
Agreed
Which is often not particularly useful for evils, but it is sometimes
I think if BD is even made to consider leaving out critical infomation in their logs something is wrong.
I totally agree with this conclusion. However I don’t think Marshal need an alternative to snoop because its purpose and usage over say, probe, is you can find allies/NK through it in my opinion.
That’s probably too far
I say “a bit” and I mean just that
If you look too much at power disparity it can take precedence to convert a weak class over whoever would be best for controlling daytime discussion
You must find balance.
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I know I was just brainstorming
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Honestly it’s not the end of the world if 2 unseen people have the same abilities, and you have Duchess snoop, which is a Marshal ability, so I’m confused on why you removed dark wisp just to replace it with Marshal’s ability.
Few things:
1st of all. Princess looks good. Nice job. You have already mentioned wanting to rework Window Peek so I won’t worry about that aspect
However duchess has a few problems.
First of all Shread is redundant. Remove it and give forge a second use
Second of all I don’t think Shroud particularly fits on Duchess. Could work better as a mental blur rework maybe?
Anyways instead just have it be a buffed bat eyelashes. Learn type and faction, unlimited uses
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How? Shred is instant while Forge is only upon death. Different uses.
Alright, sounds good
Because making it instant just gives it the additional effect of outing you. Any additional utility it could have is easily countered by PN besides preventing a log reveal on death. Thus Forge is simply better in every situation
Here’s another solution/replacement:
Reduce Snoop’s uses to 2(Or keep it the same. Not sure about this. It could even be reduced to 1 use if it’s still strong), and replace Shroud with this:
Night ability 2: Write(Uses: Unilited)- Gain an additional use of Snoop.
Note: I am also not sure if you should be able to decide between an additional use of Forge, Shred, or Snoop. If you could choose Forge or Shred their there initial uses could be reduced to 0.
That could work, I would just like to see Disguise(or at least a version of it) on an unseen class.
Not always. I included it so scum would have an excuse for not keeping logs. And it wouldn’t instantly out you if it was given to another neutral class(scorned?)
Fair
Note: I’m not against removing it, I’m just saying why I created it
You are overcomplicating things. Converted princess should have a flirt esc ability
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Would this be good then:
Duchess
Unseen Social
Night Ability 1: Bat Eyelashes(Uses: Unlimited)- Determine your target’s faction and class type.
Night Ability 2: Snoop(Uses: 3)- Gain a copy of your target’s logs. You will be able to view this copy at any time
Day ability 1: Shred(Uses: 1)- Erase your target’s journal and prevent them from writing in it further. You will gain a copy of it
Day ability 2: Forge(Uses: 1)- Gain a copy of your target’s logs. You will be able to edit this copy at any time. If your target dies, then their logs will be replaced with your edited version.
Also, 2 more questions:
How many uses should Snoop have? and
Should Forge only work on players whom you have already snooped?
You already heard my argument against Shread.
Otherwise looks good.
3 is fine
Yes. And it should only be updated to the point that you have snooped
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K, I’ll make a separate thread with these changes then after I finish my sheriff and paladin rework
Are you still going to argue for merging them again? Because even though I agree I also aknowlage that it isn’t getting us anywhere
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Yeah, however I’m putting all(or at least all of mine) arguments for why they should be merged. I’ll show you the thread once I finish the draft if you want to look at it before I post it.
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