EFoL 4&3/4 - Game Thread - Day 5 (5/16) - The Blue Dragon and Scorned are victorious!

i didnt realize how useless sellsword vigilanteism was until i saw that either

enjoy your N5 vig shot

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Didn’t you claim to use your knight abilities on me?

There is also other reason why it doesn’t.

If Wazza frames BD and BD is lynched, Wazza leaving the game makes it 3 / 2 / 1, so BD majority again.

it wasn’t a mistake, I did it on purpose because I had reasons for it.

Summary

Quote from one of your posts:
“See I can’t convince people to give Soul another chance even though their mech info checks out and proves I’m not 2nd cultist. Yet you guys are more into “Kill in PoE no matter if there is anything that might prove they shouldn’t be in PoE”. I guess you guys will have to learn the hard way.”

This is the exact reason I shot Night. I discussed it with Eevee beforehand and I had already put you as my vig or jailkeep target for pretty much the entire night and just couldn’t decide which action to take. But Eevee pointed out you weren’t pushing an agenda, and we both agreed that 1. Night was doing things in the thread that had unclear motives (even Derps pointed this out on D2 and I agreed there) and 2. Night was a prime conversion target due to being townread by consensus, and would literally never die during the day. When Marl went into antispew he said he tried to follow Night but was occupied, and nobody claimed the occ which I found questionable. I believe I wrote at least part of this in my logs as a summary. I wasn’t sure if he really was occ’d or not, but I also know he has a tendency to spew his scumteam as a wolf, and I thought there was a >0 chance he spewed Night as either OG scum or convert by claiming to have been occ’d on her. I thought the occer was Min, but Eevee pointed out that they were much more interested in whether I’d also successfully visited Geyde and thus had to be the drunk who swapped the targets.

Obviously if I had known Night was swapped with Geyde, I never would have shot into that slot. But to tell the truth, I wanted to shoot on N1 and take a chance on Geyde. The ironic part would be that Night would have died anyway, as my action would still have gotten swapped into her, so I honestly think by the way I was playing, Night would have died regardless. I could have avoided her death by jailkeeping instead, but I wanted to make sure I got a shot in my PoE (not yours) just in case I somehow died. I didn’t think scum would kill me because they bled me, but I considered that I could be a conversion target, although unlikely specifically because of the bleed, which I also knew would kill me anyway because lol prince. I said during D2 that I wanted to play aggressively so that’s exactly what I did. Eevee and I planned to both take night shots at people, and the only thing that we agreed upon for sure is that you shouldn’t be killed before Night, because you were scummy enough that there was a chance you’d get voted out during the day. Eevee had a different PoE for his kill targets, but he didn’t say he would OE Night before the allies chat closed (and tbh I fell asleep and slept through it, so when I changed my mind and switched my action from you to Night, I didn’t get the chance to come back and reconsider even if I had wanted to).

The one thing I’ll say I was right on, that you also pointed out in the quote above but that you somehow didn’t notice I was doing, was that people outside the PoE should be considered as potential scum. Night was almost universally townread, and so was Geyde. But the difference is that I got swapped off of what could have been a redcheck on Geyde, and shot into Night instead. The funny thing is that the only other person during D2 to openly scumread Geyde was his teammate, Marl, and he goofed by failing to claim Min’s swap even if he hadn’t been occ’d. But Night and Geyde both looked like people who would never be voted out by consensus, and thus both good conversion targets if they weren’t already starting scum, so I vigged Night. I did actually make a mistake, though, and I thought that if i killed the CL they wouldn’t be able to convert because the kill would process first. But I actually just misinterpreted the order of actions and it just meant that the kill would process first (but conversion would happen first), so I really should have jailkept.

Also, Eevee didn’t guard me because I told him I was bleeding (which I didn’t claim publicly because I slept through EoD and Marl literally bled me on his way out). I was pretty sure I’d live at least one more night, and Eevee obviously thought that, too, plus we agreed it would be more productive to fire into the crowd and attempt to end the game on D2 already (however unlikely that was).

Basically my only regret is that I didn’t just shoot Geyde after failing the check on him N1 lol. But I was going to give him another day, and if I didn’t bleed out I would have considered checking him again or killing him after jail night when my abilities recharged. One thing I found frustrating is that I wrote that wallpost on why Geyde was scum for coming up with what I considered a very poor case against me, and it resulted in people TRing me but still not SRing Geyde. Geyde kind of just hopped off my wagon and vanished after I made that post, which was fishy, but considering Marl was the only other person outright calling him scum (although Min and Derps were a bit suspicious), I thought I was just reading too much into it.

So there you have my explanation for my play, and if you’d like to actually give constructive criticism, you’re more than welcome to. :slight_smile: I didn’t throw, and the mods already know that because I explained all my reasoning in the allies chat. At the very least I’d say I had the right idea that one of the consensus townreads was actually scum, but I should’ve gone with my initial thought (i.e. my D1 explanation of why Geyde was scum) instead of Night. Right idea, wrong target, oops.

I did once
And then katze told me I couldnt use it on you again

It was pain

tbh, the only threat to my victory was you.

Actually your reasons make sense.
I’m sorry I was too busy dunking on you there.

also I think it’s funny how the neuts helped carry the game

Feels bad man.

I don’t think SDA exactly carried the game :^)

uh
maybe not SDA lol

Nah, you would win regardless.

Lets be honest here. Wazza was an unconvertable innocent child here.
It was pretty town sided.

Okay but I wasn’t exactly Town siding.

I told Eevee that if he was Scum that I would side with him, all he had to do was say the word.

Not if you got SDA to bite Gorta and you OE’d me for some reason. That’s the only way I could die.

I never thought I’d say a neutral can be an innocent child.
Until this game.

Actually @katze

Why did derps lose?

I told you several times it makes no sense to do as either aligment.

there were 5 players alive and only 2 of them were vampires (him + Amelia)

and gorta?

the Gorta bite failed because Gorta was jailed