Emotional stress in Fol/FM

[Firekitten]

no it doesn’t

[sulit]

Does not encourage creativity

[Firekitten]

you haven’t even read it lol

[Mercenary]

@sulit

The difference between level of play here is simply too large, and rather than trying to help one another get better, you guys just yell at people to sheep you or swear at them for doing something wrong.

That’s the real problem here

[sulit]

Yes I have.

Then I ignored it.

[Firekitten]

You just said it put play styles in a box but it doesn’t though

Where the hell did it do that

[sulit]

Ahem

One second

[Firekitten]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/11752-11-Effective-Wolf-Hunting-(by-Klopp)
here’s the article

[Mercenary]

Also people not realizing newbies can have good idea/points and ignoring them instead of explaining why it wouldn’t work that way, ignoring them only to answer the meta strong players
If it is to talk about MU articles Mantichora says in one to discuss with newbies

[Emilia]

Can confirm this

[Solic]

@sulit

Alright here’s my big fat opinion that I’ll word completely wrong.

You guys are making a giant, clear separating line between very good players and players that are learning.

Referring to them as new, level 1/2, etc doesn’t help at all. What happens is it puts them in the mindset that they aren’t as good, that they shouldn’t be as confident in their reads and they start to just sheep the people labeled as good.

Are the people that can guess the whole scumteam doing anything wrong? No. It’s just the fact you smack labels on people. Oop _____ will just get SPKed N1. ______ reads are usually really good. It makes it so that people that think they aren’t as good as these players shift into the mindset of sheeping and laziness, not because they’re not good at the game but because they believe they aren’t, if that makes sense.

The people that are said to be really good need to take it backs step. Y’all need to stop treating them like they’re a step up. Saying so and so isn’t as good or they slank all the time is making the problem worse, same with how do I say this like idolizing someone’s reads.

As long as you categorize players by how experienced they are they’re not going to improve because they’re going to keep on thinking they’re not as good. They’ll lose confidence and then they’ll just slip into sheeping.

I’m not saying to stop reading people based on if they’re newer or not, but enforcing a clear line and sorting people into levels of skill isn’t going to encourage anyone to improve.

Like, there’s people here that can get the whole entire scumteam D1. Others trying to learn and get better just no longer have the motivation because they know that so and so HAS a good chance at knowing the scumteam

The difference between level of play here is simply too large, and rather than trying to help one another get better, you guys just yell at people to sheep you or swear at them for doing something wrong.

I think the truth is probably somewhere in between and you’re only presenting one side of the argument here. There are “unskilled” players who just don’t give a damn about becoming better and there are “unskilled” players who would get crowded out by “skilled” players.

[Ami]

i mean

i by no means am a good fm player but i still try my hardest and I believe that’s why people have had no problem with my gay ass. I was very much a toxic asshole 2+ years ago (by my own admission i might add), but as I matured as a person I believe I matured as a player.

i hope that makes sense lol

[Solic]

Also getting people to listen to you is also a skill… That might be muddled by reputation here, but it’s important in social deduction too.

[sulit]

I haven’t read it in a while so it’s not as bad as I made it out to be, but

brain buffers as I struggle with the English language

[Ami]

which is why maturity imo is also important.
i was an immature toxic ass back when I started so rightly nobody would listen
but i consider myself a mature ass now so it’s easier to get people to listen to my super accurate reads

[Firekitten]

So what you are saying is emotions affected your memory of past events

Don’t worry that happened to me a lot when I play forum mafia

[sulit]

Si

[sulit]

I still don’t like the article

[Firekitten]

confirmation bias

[sulit]

I’ll steal your tail