Evil King sees MM as Unseen before N4

What happened?

I played Evil King. N3 I checked a player and he appeard to be Unseen. We executed him D4 and that was MM.

What was SUPPOSED to happen?

“Allies” ability should be equal for all types of Kings, so before N4 MM should appear as BD for all types of Kings.

Steps to reproduce:

Comments:

First 3 days is a period when Observers often follow King and people ask King to check someone concrete (in last game psy linked me and asked to check 1). If you are Evil King you are forced to sometimes out Unseen if you checked him because othewise you become very suspicious and then are easily executed. You actually can afford sometimes to out Assasin or someone converted because MM can convert again. But you can’t afford to out MM, because it’s too critical for Unseen. That’s why Evil King must see MM as BD in first 3 nights. Because otherwise you can never out any Unseen as Evil King and that makes you autoexecuted at D4-D6. If you out Unseen in D2-D4, he is immediately executed and if it’s MM than everyone also understands that your are Evil King because you see MM as Unseen in first 3 nights.

Hmm… I feel it should maybe tell the Evil King the MM is the MM, not show them as Blue Dragon.

Did the first MM died beforehand?

No, first MM was executed at D4 after I checked him N3.

Yeah, then it’s not suppose to happen as the passive is for three nights detection immune.

Why did you out him rofl

It’s okay to out any ‘unseen’ for the first three nights, except for the MM. I mean I understand this is bug, not intentional.

This just happened in a game I was in, but the King was BD. Turns out Scorned tossed a frame onto the MM n3 for yolo. I guess a frame overrides the immunity otherwise, might work that way for Duchess camo and other “mislead” type powers too.

This is only possible if the Scorned was redirected. Otherwise, the Mastermind is never the Scorned’s target so he can’t be framed.

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That’s correct as something only Drunk or Court Wizard can do.

So maybe the OP haven’t thought of this detail about redirecting the abilities elsewhere, yes I can see that the tornado’ed Scorned is responsible and it’s not a bug.

I hadn’t realized the scorned was limited to only framing its targets but that makes sense, and it must have been a result of a redirect (I’m quite sure re: the Scorned->MM part). There is another potential edge case, where both OG MM and Assassin are killed before d4 and so a converted BD scorned target becomes MM, but I doubt that’s what OP ran into.

I thought this was a feature. It would make more sense to make him come out as unseen rather than bd. I wonder what the interactions are for cults brotherhood ability and duchess’ wisp with the kings allies ability. Maybe make it consistent with what happens with those other abilities.

OMG that is still not fixed!!! Why???
28.12.2017

Literally just happened to me in my latest game… Still isnt fixed

1/23/18

One way this bug could be fixed would be to REMOVE ALLIES FROM KING

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:wink:

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They did :wink:

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Illuminati confirmed

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