Fighting "he could be fool" as scorned

That’s literally not an option in ToL whatsoever

And our response to a role shouldn’t be to kick people who are playing it optimally

It should be to kick the role for promoting inactivity as optimal play

That’s kinda obvious

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You misunderstand what I said in perhaps a confusing way.

If someone claims AFK, they are either gamethrowing or fool.

So as a player, assume they are fool.

As a mod, kick/ban them if they were not fool. Unless they gracefully leave the game on their own.

actually, slanking is a viable strategy as every alingment because nobody blames you when you lose :^)

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Okay but in a format of minutes instead of weeks the equivalent amount of talking is literal complete silence or like “hi” or something.

That isn’t even playing the game, yet it’s basically optimal strategy.

are you saying fool best strat in ToL is do and say nothing?

Arguably yes

Talking too much will draw too much attention, especially if you’re bad at being scummy and try too hard

Using troll box outs your existence and should pretty much never be used as it’s not even necessary

Slanking gets investigatives on you and then it’s gg

Sure there are other ways to win but in the end just leaving your computer may just be the most reliable lmao

So you are using the “afk but not really” strat as an example of an unreadable fool.

If you were right, either only fools would do this (revealing themselves to be fools), or evils would do it too, making this nothing more than an implicit “d1 evil claim” strat where only 17% of the suspects are actually fools and executing the mutes will result in a speedy victory even if a fool accidentally gets executed during the day.

Because this strat results in a speedy victory for bd, evils won’t just be mute … only fools … revealing themselves to be fools … so not even fools do it.

This means the example you’ve raised, in an attempt to prove that fool is unreadable, does not accomplish its purpose.

Meta is cyclical. Always has been, always will be.

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Then the current meta tells you whether a mute is likely to be fool, so it’s still readable.

You misunderstand

What the majority does is what was the meta

What they don’t is the meta

It shifts and the cycle continues.

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The fact of the matter is

Saying jack shit is a viable strategy to score wins as Fool.

That is clearly awful from a game design perspective.

Anyways, I have finals coming up and need to study. I will not be reading this thread again for a few days.

If you have an argument as to even a single way Fool makes the game better by then, I’ll hear it out.

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And, to reiterate, variety isn’t good just because it’s different.

Wish me luck on exams, chau nerds :stuck_out_tongue:

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The meta is common knowledge, if fools thinks it will allow him to win by being mute than you can put yourself in his shoes and realize it too, and you are back at the “d1 im evil please dont exe me in case im fool” strat which doesn’t work for reasons explained twice already.

Good luck on exams, if you want try to your hand at rebutting my arguments when you come back then feel free

And then we come back to our original point which is that Fool is brainless WIFOM.

Because saying nothing is viable as Fool, it follows that saying nothing is viable as evil once everyone realises that is the meta.

So now we can theoretically have both evils AND fools sitting there being AFK, but somehow using epic reading skills we can tell them apart?

silence on trial will remain a valid strat because of distracts and chill, even if you remove fool. If WIFOM warrants deleting a class then delete Hunter (arrow or no arrow? bear or no bear?)

I’m totally up for deleting arrow.

We did, but brought it back, remember? In my opinion it must stay in order to discourage vote-for-role.

Yeah and I wish it wasn’t brought back. It doesn’t do a good job at preventing VFR anyways since like… Hunter’s will still claim on the stand?

Seriously how exactly does arrow stop VFR.

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