[FM] Geyde PFPs Joat9 - THE LYING DARKNESS AND FIREMAN WINS (2/2)

[Arete]

@Marshal

locktown?

there’s like 10 percent of me that’s scared that you’re faking mindmelds, and also doing the thing we talked about in Wooloogame where you talk about conversations with your hydra partner for towncred

but like

that’s probably silly and you’re probably just town

[Marshal]

I’m more scared that you are faking mindmelds because almost all of the mindmelds we’ve had came from me first and then you posted later

but like

that’s probably silly and you’re probably just town

[sulit]

And then both Arete and Marshal are scum.

[Jane]

@Marshal

Ok, lets start with this: take some salt. I started reading his ISO hoping to find wolf, and (no surprise)I did. That could very possibly be meaning that I just saw what I wanted

That is not what my post was. My post was just pointing out how wolfy you had been. You know that, since you specifically asked for it.

@Jane

Okay, so Katshal’s posts are still bad, so my vote is probably staying there overnight.

@Marshal

can you explain why

all I’ve seen from you as far as a case was you taking a joke out of context and incorrectly calling it preflipping

what posts are “bad” and why. with quotes would be better.

But hey, anything goes to make me look bad, right?

@Marshal

Both of their cases were bad

Sure, sure, you keep saying that, but you can’t coherently say what is bad, nor why it is bad.

@Marshal

and to be honest rereading that wallpost it feels like Jane never cared about actually solving my slot and instead trying to make me look wolfy

@Marshal

Like actually yeah it’s exactly that that post is devoid of any genuine attempt to solve my slot.

@Marshal

I feel like jane didn’t set out to solve my alignment and instead just tell everyone why i’m a wolf

Again, thanks misrepresenting and shading me.

@Marshal

let’s ignore the fact that he went back on what he said he was going to do in the first sentence and later on justified a really weird townread on derps.

I mean, I wasn’t expecting Derps to make any decent posts, but hey, turns out he can make those when he’s not too busy willaging.

@Marshal

In this he actually like… analyses each post. And he asks gorta a question , and pings him. This shows jane is capable of making wallposts that don’t just set a person up as whatever aligment they set out to read a person as, but they still didn’t do it with us.

Like, do you honestly expect to get away with just misrepresenting all my reads on you, and just dismissing them as bad? There is no way in hell people won’t eventually realize how obvious of a wolf you are here, especially not after my flip.

@Marshal

It’s possible they did my wallpost just to look productive but also when they started wolfreading us was when we were a large wagon early and sometimes scum will tunnel a LHF or consensus wolf and when they start being townie, they’ll just ignore it and continue the tunnel.

Again, you know why I made that wallpost on you, so stop pretending you don’t and stop using to try and make me look worse, because it’s not going to work. And that last part doesn’t even apply here, because you are not being towny.

Like, if people somehow still fail to see how obvious of a wolf Marshal is, I suppose I could also ISO kat, although they are less wolfy.

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@DatBird

I’m reading this, and I just dont get your whole side of it. Basically your saying hes preflipping and that’s bad, but by your definition of preflipping that’s just saying someone will flip mafia based on reads/TMI. Isnt that like 100% what a scumread is. I just dont get this whole argument

Yes, it is basically just an overconfident scumread, that’s not why I’m reading Marshal as a wolf. It’s because they keep using misrepresentation and shade to try and make me look worse, when town!Marshal has no reason to do that.

@DatBird

Can u go into this more. Mode usually gets pushed by me every game and usually gets lynched. Trying to understand the differences more

It’s just not the way Mode plays as scum. Like, he just tunnels people as soon as they make a “bad” post, not some weird hedges about a player being active when they didn’t even stand out that much.

[Arete]

@Jane

It’s just not the way Mode plays as scum. Like, he just tunnels people as soon as they make a “bad” post

pretty sure you just described Mode’s town meta

[DatBird]

So first of we got nothing but good vibes from Centuries, I have explained this before. Mode came on and said hes some wrestling group or something, but hasnt said anything that I would say is AI or anything so im more defaulting to the centuries read

Nap feels genuine throughout everything he posted especially in the him v Ami part. Basically it didnt feel forced and he was genuinly angry. I dont think as scum he would lose his cool like that from my past experience with him, so I am kinda hard townreading that

Janes weird. Like his whole argument with you felt like it was unneeded and didnt go really anywhere. His wallpost on you felt less of an iso and more like

look at this dude

Then the derps read was hella weird as he said before he didnt want to read Derps but said that a single pretty uneventful post of derps was towny.
/vote Jane

Aretes just been off this game to me. I think its from my inherent distrust of them after anime of not letting them fool me again. Like usually we just click on like spiritual gut level, but there’s been a lack of that this game. Amis been the opposite though, Ami does click with me. Everything they been saying feels genuine Ami energy ya know. Doesnt feel faked. Prob will iso later

[TheBlueElixir]

@Jane

@Marshal

what posts are “bad” and why. with quotes would be better.

But hey, anything goes to make me look bad, right?

this is shady

but also

I think this comes from annoyed V

[sulit]

I think Jane is fine, orange is probably gonna yell at me for this later.

[sulit]

I still think Datwazza should die.

[Jane]

@Arete

pretty sure you just described Mode’s town meta

I mean, it was pretty much his town mate, until recently. Recently he’s been more logical and less tunnely as town.

[DatBird]

No that is wrong, and you should stop that.

[Arete]

something something meta something something

uh more seriously I have some questions

• Have you discussed any of these reads with Wazza?
• If so, what did he think of them?

[sulit]

No!

[Marshal]

@Jane

My post was just pointing out how wolfy you had been

@Marshal

“i’m looking for scum and I found it”

on a real note even if I asked for you to quote where i’d been wolfy i’d expect some form of analysis on our slot.

@Jane

@DatBird

I’m reading this, and I just dont get your whole side of it. Basically your saying hes preflipping and that’s bad, but by your definition of preflipping that’s just saying someone will flip mafia based on reads/TMI. Isnt that like 100% what a scumread is. I just dont get this whole argument

Yes, it is basically just an overconfident scumread, that’s not why I’m reading Marshal as a wolf. It’s because they keep using misrepresentation and shade to try and make me look worse, when town!Marshal has no reason to do that.

like this is just such. an. awful. point.

HOW
THE
FUCK
AM
I
MIS
REPRE
SENTING

What am I misrepresenting! You use that word a lot!

@Jane

Sure, sure, you keep saying that, but you can’t coherently say what is bad, nor why it is bad.

i’m done with this shit I have said exactly why it was bad I madeafuckingpost about it.

[quote=“Marshal, post:258, topic:82543, full:true”]
ok so i’m just going to say it

this is not a good case in the slightest

@Jane

Flavor

Allow me to teach our difference in skill to all players in this game.

To all of you gathered here, in this place…I will show you the difference in our positions!

I am absolute.

@Marshal

jane I wouldn’t be that quickhammery if I were you

owo
actually tho y’all are nerds
thats the tea sis

You’re literally pulling reasons to shade me out of thin air, I have not being quickhammery, and there’s no reason for you to think that I have been.

@Marshal

that is

an incredibly shady way to put it

and wrong

it’s a meme talking about my confidence

You’re misrepresenting my posts, and in the same post you call me out for my supposed shade, you use that to shade me.

@Marshal

is kat a wolf

This post is not only completely useless, since you know their alignment, it also hurts your wincon. It just feels like you’re trying to distance from your own hydra partner.

@Marshal

this post is bad and you should feel bad

I am not preflipping. The definition of preflipping is taking your reads on one player, before they have flipped, and applying them to other reads of people, which can lead to flawed reads.

I am specifically not doing that. Have you seen me state I read someone wolf or villager off of their interactions with nap? no . I think your agument is terrible but i’m not going to wolfread you for this chainsaw defense of sorts becuase nap hasn’t flipped.

You’re continuing to misrepresent my post, and using it to shade me. You’re ignoring the fact that I don’t have the same definition of preflipping as you do, and using it to further shade me. (I’m pretty sure I read a post about strong players ignoring signs of towniness/ tunneling for reasons they know are bad (Eh, this is phrased badly but idk how else to phrase it) being scummy, but I can’t remember where.)

@Marshal

ok, then what is “preflipping”

define it.

@Marshal

I mean

that is just, wrong. Preflipping is just shortened for pre-flip associations. That’s like the mafia terminology.

Again, despite the fact that it should’ve been way more than obvious that we have a different definition of preflipping, you continue to shade me for it, and you’re using sarcasm to draw attention away from it (Sure, this last point is kinda moot but postgame cred :^])

Literally every single one of your posts feels forced. You’re just being aggressive for the sake of being aggressive, and all you care about is pushing agenda.

@Marshal

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

WE GOT EM

i am too good at FM it’s honestly getting stale

Like, wtf even is this post, are you pretending like you think this is Napoleon outing as Mafia or something? Also, it’s very LAMIST, but I’m pretty sure that’s NAI for you.

@Marshal

janes push on us is

not good in the slightest

wolfy? maybe? probably if nap is wolf it’s a chainsaw but haha no preflippi!!

I made a meme about being overconfident on nap’s alignment

and they take that as preflipping, and when I prove them wrong, by definition, they just say to drop the subject

Again, more representing a post that wasn’t even accusing you, and using it to shade me.

@Marshal

you are only wolfreading me because I am funnier than you thought i would be

noted

This exists.

@Marshal

btw I think there’s a reason that kat is so out of their element because of something they said in teamchat so just keep that in mind

Like sulit said, this part has no reason to exist.

More Flavor

You’ve defied me for this long. It is not enough to merely have you sit. I’ll only loosen my grip when you’ve been exiled. Give it up. I will be victorious!

And thus, by witnessing my glorious form, you should now realize… your defeat is absolute.

I also don’t like your posts telling Arete “hey your read is bad but a still villa” but that’s kinda strawman-y and probably not AI.

I’d ISO kat too but I’m tired so that’ll have to wait until tomorrow.

this was science only and never meant to shade you just ignore that post

[quote=“Jane, post:256, topic:82543”]

@Marshal

that is

an incredibly shady way to put it

and wrong

it’s a meme talking about my confidence
[/quote]

You’re misrepresenting my posts, and in the same post you call me out for my supposed shade, you use that to shade me.

I’m not misrepresenting you

how am I misrepresenting you

I am saying that the way you are phrasing it is incorrect ! That’s not a shade, that’s the blatant truth!

[quote=“Jane, post:256, topic:82543”]

@Marshal

is kat a wolf
[/quote]

This post is not only completely useless, since you know their alignment, it also hurts your wincon. It just feels like you’re trying to distance from your own hydra partner.

this is like

so much text

for a fucking joke commenting on kat looking uncomfortable

[quote=“Jane, post:256, topic:82543”]

@Marshal

btw I think there’s a reason that kat is so out of their element because of something they said in teamchat so just keep that in mind
[/quote]

Like sulit said, this part has no reason to exist.

and kat told me why in teamchat after I asked them. So it’s not useless, it’s directly bouncing off of sonething said earlier

[quote=“Jane, post:256, topic:82543”]

@Marshal

this post is bad and you should feel bad

I am not preflipping. The definition of preflipping is taking your reads on one player, before they have flipped, and applying them to other reads of people, which can lead to flawed reads.

I am specifically not doing that. Have you seen me state I read someone wolf or villager off of their interactions with nap? no . I think your agument is terrible but i’m not going to wolfread you for this chainsaw defense of sorts becuase nap hasn’t flipped.
[/quote]

You’re continuing to misrepresent my post, and using it to shade me. You’re ignoring the fact that I don’t have the same definition of preflipping as you do, and using it to further shade me. (I’m pretty sure I read a post about strong players ignoring signs of towniness/ tunneling for reasons they know are bad (Eh, this is phrased badly but idk how else to phrase it) being scummy, but I can’t remember where.)

When I wrote this post, I DIDN’T KNOW WE HAD DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS. You can’t fucking say I ignored us having different definitions, WITHOUT. ME. KNOWING.

[quote=“Jane, post:256, topic:82543”]

@Marshal

ok, then what is “preflipping”

define it.
[/quote]

@Marshal

I mean

that is just, wrong. Preflipping is just shortened for pre-flip associations. That’s like the mafia terminology.

Again, despite the fact that it should’ve been way more than obvious that we have a different definition of preflipping, you continue to shade me for it, and you’re using sarcasm to draw attention away from it (Sure, this last point is kinda moot but postgame cred :^])

@Jane

you continue to shade me for it

daFUQ? The posts you quoted were me asking you a question and correcting you on your error. I’m not even pushing or shading you for that. I HAVE NOT BEEN SHADING YOU ALL GAME! I have said that I found your posts bad but that it’s not inherently wolfy. You say my goal has been to push you but I haven’t been fucking doing that

[quote=“Jane, post:256, topic:82543”]

@Marshal

janes push on us is

not good in the slightest

wolfy? maybe? probably if nap is wolf it’s a chainsaw but haha no preflippi!!

I made a meme about being overconfident on nap’s alignment

and they take that as preflipping, and when I prove them wrong, by definition, they just say to drop the subject
[/quote]

Again, more representing a post that wasn’t even accusing you, and using it to shade me.

this is just

not

TRUE

im not using it to shade you! I specifically said it might be wolfy but isn’t inherently wolfy! You act like I am your #1 hater but I don’t even have a good read on your alignment right now! Even after this utter travesty of a case I still don’t even fucking scumlean you.

@Jane

@Marshal

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

WE GOT EM

i am too good at FM it’s honestly getting stale
[/quote]

Like, wtf even is this post, are you pretending like you think this is Napoleon outing as Mafia or something? Also, it’s very LAMIST, but I’m pretty sure that’s NAI for you.

you said it best in the 2nd sentance. the “ladies and gentlemen, we got 'em” is a meme . a joke . come on dude! The post I quoted was wolfy, the “ah this point against me is fair” is like a commonly known scumtell.

I’m going to be real with you. This case is in all honestly terrible and my patience is kind of worn thin. I think it could be a miscommunication, so i’m going to try to make things clear.

In all of my posts, I am attacking the content of your posts , and not your alignment . I am not trying to shade you, I am not trying to misrepresent you, in fact if I had to go GTH I think even after this painful wall of text you are >rand v.

You say i’m pushing agenda, and while “x is pushing people, it’s agenda” reads already suck, i’m not even pushing you.

This entire thing is again, attacking your case (which I find to be not good), not you , which I find to be similar to your past games enough that if I had to slap the lazy meta read on you i’d call you v.

I feel like you’ve latched onto a disagreement in hope of catching a wolf, but it’s just that, a disagreement on the definition of preflipping, and how serious my jokes are.

if it’s a viberead off of my agressiveness, and I get the vibe that it is, please just say that. It feels like you are trying to justify the read because I asked for quotes instead of just saying that (and I find that fact to be NAI for the record).

^ this post has 11173 characters. If that’s not enough of an explination then I don’t fucking know what to say!

[DatBird]

@Arete

• Have you discussed any of these reads with Wazza?

He litterally just dmed me, thats hes been playing with friends all day. I have had minimal talk with him

[Jane]

@Marshal

@Jane

My post was just pointing out how wolfy you had been

@Marshal

“i’m looking for scum and I found it”

It’s not the same thing, you damn nerd. You said that guy went into our ISO hoping to find a wolf, when I was already heavily wolfreading you before I started the ISO.

@Marshal

on a real note even if I asked for you to quote where i’d been wolfy i’d expect some form of analysis on our slot.

How is that not exactly what I did? I pointed out which posts where wolfy, and why they were so wolfy, AKA: analysis

[Jane]

@Jane

coherently

@Marshal

like this is just such. an. awful . point .

HOW
THE
FUCK
AM
I
MIS
REPRE
SENTING

What am I misrepresenting! You use that word a lot!

I’ve already explained it, repeatedly, but you just dismiss it as “bad”.

[Arete]

@Jane
@Napoleon
@DatBird

I would appreciate if all of you could give me a GTH read as of right now on everyone else at-mentioned in the post

(Dat you can ignore this since you just did)

[Arete]

@sulit

Does orange have any thoughts on the game? Since Marblelympics is over now we can, like, talk about how that was what was distracting him, and, well, it’s over so it’s not distracting him

if the answer is ‘no, because he started work at 1 AM because of Marblelympics stuff’ I get it

[sulit]

He said he’d read through the game in a couple hours. He was kinda dead last night and he had stuff going on today, also busy with work.