[FM] Geyde PFPs Joat9 - THE LYING DARKNESS AND FIREMAN WINS (2/2)

[TheBlueElixir]

oof

hope whatever happening gets better

[TheBlueElixir]

changed my pfp in respect of nappy

(conclusion)

sulit is probably my weakest townlean

like, the analysis is very non-performative and feels like Sulit is thinking

but there are a few things in there

[Geyde]

Kyo replaced in for Napoleon

discussion of replacements is bad
if you do it, you’re bad

[KyoDaz]

Right off the bad I’m going to say Arete is scum.
Arete’s entire thought process is so linear and by-the-book. It feels like they’ve copy/pasted a manual.
I’m looking for an Arete lynch here.

I’m willing to clear sulit’s (?) slot because their entire thought process is geniune and I was thinking the exact same thing on a certain situation they commented on.

[KyoDaz]

Marshal/katze is my second highest townread; I don’t think they’ve been ultra-townie it’s just that other people are null/not justifying a townread on themselves for me.

[KyoDaz]

I really liked the case on BlueElixir someone made
His entire playstyle here reminds me nothing of his townmeta and more of BotF when he was Po.
I think it’s not bad enough that he could revive himself from this. I’ve fallen susceptible to the post restriction thing in Hell in the Cell as well (where I was town).

[Marshal]

kyo copypaste your logs now

(this is a joke , as there are no logs this game, please don’t hunt down my family)

[KyoDaz]

@SirDerpsAlot

Dat is town

@SirDerpsAlot

Arete

BAD

I’ve actually made this exact same preflip

[TheBlueElixir]

why does Kyo have almost the same reads as nappy

welcome i guess

[KyoDaz]

DatBird/Arete are not W/W

[Arete]

@TheBlueElixir

why does Kyo have almost the same reads as nappy

agenda

[TheBlueElixir]

arete in FoL 28 when you were arguing with kat were town converted yet?

[KyoDaz]

If Arete is scum with kat/marshal + sulit town I’m willing to clear DatBird and put last remaining PoE as the rest of people

But I want Arete’s flip first

[TheBlueElixir]

words no work

@KyoDaz

If Arete is scum with kat/marshal + sulit town I’m willing to clear DatBird and put last remaining PoE as the rest of people

cool

you can vote them

it is a thing

[Arete]

assuming you’re talking about D3 I was

if your point is meta-based I can link you to examples from various games, it’s ~NAI for me to get tunnelly

[KyoDaz]

I literally just went to check the recent votecount to see where Napoleon’s vote was on.
It’s already on Arete.

[TheBlueElixir]

oh yep

…what do you think of the NWO(cent/mode)?

[an_gorta_pratai]

My ISO of the Arete/Ami slot vs Nappy: Part 1 Ami

@Ami

i’ll exist once the need arises
for now
i shall observe

@Ami

i talked about how much I adore you my fair Romeo

@Ami

i mean
hydra chats are a thing

@Ami

illegal
you are less than 18 years of age
being horny is illegal

@Ami

@Geyde
host a podcast

These posts feel like town!Ami and then Nappy made a read on their slot

@Napoleon

brain is telling me that Arete is just casually observing from the sidelines while doing “hard mindmelds”, but doesn’t seem to truly believe in them and isn’t as flexible with their voting

and then votes Arete

@Napoleon

My brain wants to know more about this slot.

/vote Arete

@Ami

what the fuck is this post haha wtf

@Ami

i honestly don’t think this is town!Nappy

It feels way too forceful and dominating compared to town!Nappy

@Ami

like
how is that post a gotcha!

just saying i think your scum while your scum reading us isn’t a damming case

@Ami

lmaooo

you are either dumb as hell or wolf

literally look at any of my town games

i don’t generally make long cases
i take a handful of posts that ping me as off and explain why

Plus
it was a thing that was off the top my head
do you think for a spur of the moment read i’ll go “hrmm i’ll make a full case for this”

In my opinion this is Ami trying too hard, but yeah

and one last interaction

@Ami

if you think we’re scum nappy vote us

@Napoleon

I already did.

@Ami

i don’t see it

@Napoleon

I already did.

My ISO of the Arete/Ami slot vs Nappy: Part 2 The Nerd

@Arete

okay serious question

Marshalkat

you spent the entire sign-ups thread talking about how you were going to tunnel my slot

you aren’t tunnelling my slot

what’s up with that

@Arete

Marshal and kat giving this half-hearted limp noodle excuse for a push rather than properly tunneling us like they said they would is wolfy CMV

@Arete

I mean

It’s not that I want you to tunnel me

It’s just that I think you’d be tunneling me if you were town

and that the fact that you aren’t comes from Wolfy Concern About Appearances

@Arete

mrrrrr

hard mindmelding with this post

which annoys me because I don’t like being wrong

@Arete

from how you guys were talking in sign-ups I was basically expecting you to be doing it from post 1

and then you weren’t

and it was weird

and I ran it by Ami and she didn’t think it was a horrible take

@Arete

Okay

If you don’t think it’s AI then why are you focusing your questions to me on it

@Arete

kat is weird but you’re townie even if it’s weird that you’re not tunnelling me (weirdest thing about kat right now is that he’s focusing on the question of whether or not I genuinely expected you to tunnel me when that’s ~NAI and he agrees that it’s NAI)

@Arete

I thought that specifically calling your announcement NAI was kinda meh and performative and a couple of the things you were doing didn’t really feel like they had a Reason for them, like the vote thing or whatever

@Arete

I didn’t want to vote you with Marshal when I still kinda thought Marshalslot was a wolf

@Arete

voting on wagons that are heavily being pushed by slots I wolfread makes me feel weird

This is Arete’s attempt to push Marshal/Katze and ends with Arete finding them as town. I also find it interesting how Arete never votes Marshal despite having them as a SR.

@Arete

I refuse to believe that you have read my posts and have this as a serious question

as such I’m not going to answer it and separately I think that you asking such an incredibly pointless question is wolfy

I find it odd that Arete wastes a post to talk about not answering the question instead of reposting something like this or pointing Dat in the right direction

@Arete

Dat kinda wolfy (posts feel fake + hedgy)

Nappy kinda wolfy (was mindmelding with some of the stuff you said about being performative)

Jane/Nappy not W/W (the way Jane is defending Nappy doesn’t feel like the way a wolf would defend someone that they have TMI is also scum, like, their focus is on why you’re pre-flipping Nappy as scum which feels like not a thing a wolf would write about their partner)

sulit V? (~vibereads~ also I think orange actually plays D1 as a wolf)

kat is weird but you’re townie even if it’s weird that you’re not tunnelling me (weirdest thing about kat right now is that he’s focusing on the question of whether or not I genuinely expected you to tunnel me when that’s ~NAI and he agrees that it’s NAI)

Arete vs Nappy

@Arete

this discrediting of Ami’s read on you when she … hasn’t said anything about how many posts she’s read … is wolfy

you discrediting it in this particular way while claiming to scumread us is wolfier

like

if you think that we’re scum

and you think that Ami’s read is superficial

then the logical conclusion would be ‘Ami’s read is superficial (because she’s scum),’ not ‘Ami’s read is superficial (because she’s not reading my posts)’

and the fact that you jumped to the latter makes me feel like you have TMI that our slot is V

/vote Napoleon

@Geyde a VC would be nice

This is Arete’s initial accusation

@Arete

If you think she’s scum

then why do you think that the reason for her making ‘a read like that’ is that she didn’t read your posts

like

you are completely dodging my actual point here

which is that despite supposedly wolfreading our slot you’re assuming the reason for her having a read that you view as superficial is because she isn’t reading when if you actually think she’s a wolf you would see that as being the logical explanation!!

@Arete

that’s not what I’m saying

I’m saying that the fact that you assumed the reason for her argument being the way it was was that she wasn’t reading the thread is TMI

like

sure

someone can be both a wolf and not reading the thread

that doesn’t change the fact that the assumption you made is inconsistent with the reads you supposedly have

@Arete

lol

your case on me is

‘Arete didn’t snapvote me at a point when they had me as kind of wolfy, and instead voted their other wolfreads’

and

‘I’m salty that Arete correctly identified my TMI on their slot’

also, because apparently it wasn’t clear enough: my answers didn’t suck, you’re just desperately searching for anything you can find to justify your atrocious push in the hopes that you can somehow salvage this for your scumteam

This really does remind me of converted Arete from FoL 28. In that game Arete was accusing Katze and Amelia of being scum and trying to escape the vote. Would OMGuS be the right word here? Like Arete’s case doesn’t have much substenance to it when compared to Arete’s case on NK Katze in SFoL 61.5.

@Arete

this is wolfy both in the sense that an extremely narrow focus on the game is a pretty common wolftell for intermediateish wolves, and in the sense that focusing on one single person when you know you’re going down is a fairly common tactic to reduce spew

I know from experience that it’s hard to make other reads when you are the tunnel

@Arete

there’s like 5 percent of me that thinks that Jane is scum TMIing Nappy town but I don’t think I actually believe that

@Arete

so I intentionally put Jane at L-1 to see how they would react

I was expecting them to, if wolf, do something super desperate (claiming JoaT/self-hammering/etc.) in order to survive, if town keep solving but probably also emphasize whatever their most important Legacy Point was (like, ‘if I die exe Marshal’ or something like that)

but

then they just ignored it

so

I’m not really sure how to interpret that??

This is pre-flippy as hell, but if Arete flips wolf then I think Arete’s partner is either Jane or Marshal/Katze. Arete’s progression on Jane is just odd and semi partnery and their progression on Marshal/Katze is literally just a vanity case.

[KyoDaz]

I think ModeShifter is decently towny
I need to read Centuries

[KyoDaz]

These conclusions are really pure, I really like gorta’s slot now actually
Derps was slightly confusing and I had a townlean on him but it could’ve gone either way; I like this