[FM] Geyde PFPs Joat9 - THE LYING DARKNESS AND FIREMAN WINS (2/2)

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Marshal

did you write this

I

i’m floored

I actually want to know what prompted you giving reasoning for like the first time eve

Nope, and I didn’t force Derps to write that. It made my jaw drop when Derps made that post because our hydra chat has been mostly quiet

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Marshal

did you write this

I

i’m floored

I actually want to know what prompted you giving reasoning for like the first time eve

Actually let’s take a pause and have Marshal give an opinion on this instead of ignoring it

[Marshal]

can u like not

I know why I was arete’s top town (they said it in thread)

They Joatread me day 1 cuz they found my joat softs

I don’t know their current read on me and would probably like that at some point

I don’t see the fact that you made that case AI itself but I want to know why you did.

and why you are so pushy for me to address it

[SirDerpsAlot]

Because it’s a common wolf strat to blow off correct cases and let them go bye bye In thread

[Marshal]

ok well I addressed why the progression was there (or why I think it was at least)

what now

can you answer my questions

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Arete

Kyo specifically was saying that he thought me and Jane were W/W (and that therefore Jane was a wolf) while treating Jane like he expected them to flip town

You seem really confused on this point and I don’t know how to explain it better because it’s not that complicated

If he had been saying that he thought we were W/W and treating them like he expected them to flip scum that wouldn’t be inherently wolfy

quote the posts I have been asked to quote things and so can you

@Arete

I spent ALL OF YESTERDAY pointing out how Kyo was the most blatant fucking wolf in existence and everyone was just spamming ‘no he’s town. for reasons. that I won’t explain.’

Nappy was towny and Kyo hasn’t really set off any red flags

@Arete

at the point when I voted Nappy the wagons were something like 2 votes on me/3 on Jane/2 on Dat/1 (me) on Nappy and there were a couple minutes left before EoD

like

what do you think I should have done in that situation

I will concede that this answer isn’t the worst

@Arete

I have explained all of these points several times (except the meta one, which I couldn’t talk about due to an ongoing game).

I. Have. Proven. My. Case.

Make a megapost for us or link me your other posts talking about it

@Arete

If you aren’t even willing to read my posts and notice these are points that I had been making then … I don’t really know how to help you. Like … I’ve stated the points, I’ve explained the points, I’ve given evidence that proves the points. There … isn’t really much more I can do to prove my case here apart from repeating the same points over and over until you actually bother to read them

You can link me the posts and I don’t appreciate you insulting my intelligence here. Pick my case apart all you want, but don’t insult my intelligence.

@Arete

I made a comment in hydra chat to the effect of ‘Nappy is JoaT or scum’ shortly after this post, because, like, if you’re a JoaT you don’t need to be worried about getting exe’d because you can just claim

if you’re a VT then you would consider getting exe’d as a potential outcome of changing your playstyle

The fact that Nappy didn’t claim JoaT is a pretty big point in the T!Nappy case because in CFM2 Nappy claimed Chloe even though he wasn’t super scrum read at that point.

@Arete

wow

it’s almost like

opinions can change … gradually

and like … people don’t always put giant signposts on their reads … because we expect other people to have any sort of remotely basic competence …

They can, but it all depends on your progression and that seemed scummy as hell

[an_gorta_pratai]

Yeah, my next response will be summarized and now I plan to read Marshal and Katze’s ISO. I really don’t know how to read Katze though

[Marshal]

@an_gorta_pratai

The fact that Nappy didn’t claim JoaT is a pretty big point in the T!Nappy case because in CFM2 Nappy claimed Chloe even though he wasn’t super scrum read at that point.

…no

nobody outright claims joat under pressure unless they are a big wagon EoD.

In that game, a player could die at any time (due to dayvigs) so he tried to draw out a PR

here, he would be 100% dooming himself to die if he did that strat, when there’s a chance he would live

It’s a different environment and just because he didn’t claim Joat under pressure does not make him town

[orangeandblack5]

@SirDerpsAlot

agenda

people don’t understand the proper meaning of this word ama

[an_gorta_pratai]

Nappy also claimed Chloe in CFM2, so I think Nappy would have done it here as well

[orangeandblack5]

Imagine claiming the PR when you go out

I much prefer getting put up to rand last-second with no time to claim

[an_gorta_pratai]

I get that claiming PR is bad when you aren’t, but it could be a decent scum play and let you live that extra day and I wouldn’t put it past Nappy’s wolf game

[Marshal]

and i’m saying that these are two very different environments and that clearing him for not doing it here is silly and not a good reason

[SirDerpsAlot]

@Marshal

this is a fucking 9p

“i’ll make reads at the end of day 2”

gtfo with that lmao

/vote nappo

this post is pure agenda

@Marshal

janes push on us is

not good in the slightest

wolfy? maybe? probably if nap is wolf it’s a chainsaw but haha no preflippi!!

I made a meme about being overconfident on nap’s alignment

and they take that as preflipping, and when I prove them wrong, by definition, they just say to drop the subject

if it’s nap/jane everyone on this forum must ship me cookies

Marshal pushes on jane for “a bad push” Im going to look into the push now because it reminds me of the small cop game I think Eevee hosted where marshal got me myslycnhed d1 for correctly scumreading him, but not being able to push or defend my reads well.

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@Jane

Reasoning here is pretty towny tbh.

I’m just gonna stick a townread on Derps’ slot so I don’t have to read them anymore.

/vote Jane

Reads from the 30 posts that went on while I was asleep

Centuries still fine

sulit still town

Jane dropped hard what in the living fuck is this post

I feel like they’re TMIing derps/gorta as town in their posts and these

@Jane

@an_gorta_pratai

I plan to cram as much as I can into single posts
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gorta saying this and after having their catch-up post by their shortest one by several landslides is probably >rand town.

reasons like this are super weak and the post I quoted throwing around a townread like that is weak but makes the assumption that derps is town (and that re-evaluation isn’t needed) feels super TMI-y to me and at the very least doesn’t feel like a partnery interaction at all.

Seeing as how I had the same read off this post I can’t exactly fault them for it.

@Marshal

Jane’s wallpost on me

@Jane

Flavor

Allow me to teach our difference in skill to all players in this game.

To all of you gathered here, in this place…I will show you the difference in our positions!

I am absolute.

@Marshal

jane I wouldn’t be that quickhammery if I were you

owo
actually tho y’all are nerds
thats the tea sis

You’re literally pulling reasons to shade me out of thin air, I have not being quickhammery, and there’s no reason for you to think that I have been.

@Marshal

that is

an incredibly shady way to put it

and wrong

it’s a meme talking about my confidence

You’re misrepresenting my posts, and in the same post you call me out for my supposed shade, you use that to shade me.

@Marshal

is kat a wolf

This post is not only completely useless, since you know their alignment, it also hurts your wincon. It just feels like you’re trying to distance from your own hydra partner.

@Marshal

this post is bad and you should feel bad

I am not preflipping. The definition of preflipping is taking your reads on one player, before they have flipped, and applying them to other reads of people, which can lead to flawed reads.

I am specifically not doing that. Have you seen me state I read someone wolf or villager off of their interactions with nap? no . I think your agument is terrible but i’m not going to wolfread you for this chainsaw defense of sorts becuase nap hasn’t flipped.

You’re continuing to misrepresent my post, and using it to shade me. You’re ignoring the fact that I don’t have the same definition of preflipping as you do, and using it to further shade me. (I’m pretty sure I read a post about strong players ignoring signs of towniness/ tunneling for reasons they know are bad (Eh, this is phrased badly but idk how else to phrase it) being scummy, but I can’t remember where.)

@Marshal

ok, then what is “preflipping”

define it.

@Marshal

I mean

that is just, wrong. Preflipping is just shortened for pre-flip associations. That’s like the mafia terminology.

Again, despite the fact that it should’ve been way more than obvious that we have a different definition of preflipping, you continue to shade me for it, and you’re using sarcasm to draw attention away from it (Sure, this last point is kinda moot but postgame cred :^])

Literally every single one of your posts feels forced. You’re just being aggressive for the sake of being aggressive, and all you care about is pushing agenda.

@Marshal

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

WE GOT EM

i am too good at FM it’s honestly getting stale

Like, wtf even is this post, are you pretending like you think this is Napoleon outing as Mafia or something? Also, it’s very LAMIST, but I’m pretty sure that’s NAI for you.

@Marshal

janes push on us is

not good in the slightest

wolfy? maybe? probably if nap is wolf it’s a chainsaw but haha no preflippi!!

I made a meme about being overconfident on nap’s alignment

and they take that as preflipping, and when I prove them wrong, by definition, they just say to drop the subject

Again, more representing a post that wasn’t even accusing you, and using it to shade me.

@Marshal

you are only wolfreading me because I am funnier than you thought i would be

noted

This exists.

@Marshal

btw I think there’s a reason that kat is so out of their element because of something they said in teamchat so just keep that in mind

Like sulit said, this part has no reason to exist.

More Flavor

You’ve defied me for this long. It is not enough to merely have you sit. I’ll only loosen my grip when you’ve been exiled. Give it up. I will be victorious!

And thus, by witnessing my glorious form, you should now realize… your defeat is absolute.

I also don’t like your posts telling Arete “hey your read is bad but a still villa” but that’s kinda strawman-y and probably not AI.

I’d ISO kat too but I’m tired so that’ll have to wait until tomorrow.

not only is it’s logic not good but I feel like jane didn’t set out to solve my alignment and instead just tell everyone why i’m a wolf

hey look, you explained a tunnel marshal. I don’t see T!marshal genuinely thinking someone tunneling and bad logic is inherently wolfy.

@Marshal

let’s ignore the fact that he went back on what he said he was going to do in the first sentence and later on justified a really weird townread on derps. In this he actually like… analyses each post. And he asks gorta a question , and pings him. This shows jane is capable of making wallposts that don’t just set a person up as whatever aligment they set out to read a person as, but they still didn’t do it with us.

this was because as I’m certain you know full well Jane went into both walls with different mindsets. he went into yours already thinking you were scum and his goal from what I can gather was to build a case on someone he thought was scum

where as out wall was done in order to figure out what out slot actually was

as I’m writing this I say to myself

fuck

marshal is town isn’t he

[SirDerpsAlot]

In specific one of his walls about Jane he seems genuinely frustrated which I see from town marshal, marshal is often calmer as a wolf

[orangeandblack5]

@SirDerpsAlot

/vote Jane

I think this technically counts as a vote

[Marshal]

@SirDerpsAlot

this post is pure agenda

@orangeandblack5

people don’t understand the proper meaning of this word

what about it is agenda

is it my mindset

is it the tone

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also you gave a ton of reasoning on why i’m wolf and then like at the very end did a switcheroo

maybe i’m misunderstanding some of the context because your quoting formatting was messed up but like… ???

why the sudden switch can you go into that

[orangeandblack5]

Oh wait Jane dead

[SirDerpsAlot]

See I started reading your response to some of Janes stuff and I’m 86% sure your frustration and anger comes from a town marshal

[an_gorta_pratai]

I think I see what you mean, but yeah