[FM] Geyde PFPs Joat9 - THE LYING DARKNESS AND FIREMAN WINS (2/2)

[Ami]

we are in lylo tommorow if we mislynch here wtf

We need breathing room

a wolf lynch is essentially mandatory today

[orangeandblack5]

@an_gorta_pratai

Can I get an idea of where your head is head currently?

Sulit and I are trying to sort Datmelia, TBE, and Kyo

[orangeandblack5]

@Arete

TBE’s pushes

No but I do remember some other stuff he’s done

[Geyde]

Banned	Banners	Number thing
KyoDaz	Arete/Ami, Marshal/Kat	2/4
Arete/Ami	KyoDaz	1/4
Derps/Gorta	Derps/Gorta	1/4

~22 hours remaining

[orangeandblack5]

Hello TBE

Why are you town

[sulit]

Hello orange

Why are you town

Wait

[TheBlueElixir]

I should probably summarize this

bacc to answer questionaire after reading about low WiM

@Marshal

how are my reads weak

lets take the examples I used there

@TheBlueElixir

pushing nappy because an RT wasnt good?

tling arete because they pushed on the basis they werent getting tunneled?

the former - you pushed nappy hard on the basis that you thought an RT was stupid and he was going to change his playstyle, when realistically neither of these are very wolfy. Im not saying they cant come from a wolf! im saying they both can, have and will come from town so that was a sucky reason to push

the latter - the post where you said ‘im trying 3 posts early’ and said Arete was both V and bad at FM -

-dinner-

so arete says ‘your wolfy because your not tunneling me’ and you take that as a reason to think their town? I dont really see how that translates

@Marshal

Please directly quote posts where I make a read but it showcases a disconnect from my reasons. This should be easy if it’s real

did I answer the wrong question

well its above

and I think its weak reasons for the read

those two specific examples im using because thats where I saw it

@Marshal

(on dat) why does the way he think of his case come from a town mindset?

he feels less trapped or squirmy and more

‘this is absurd’

and saying why its absurd

@Marshal

@TheBlueElixir

Ami has done nothing on topic but SR Nappy in a reply to nappy SRing their slot

why is this AI (meta would be appreciated)

…

what

• being completely off topic is scummy because its completely off topic.

• making your first(and the only read I remember) a SR on your SRer literally in a reply to them stating their read is textbook OMGUS, and the reasons Ami provided(Nappy was being overbearing) was not something I agreed with in the slightest - he was being a lot more heldback then previous games, including even his towngame in SFoL 61.5

meta was not really involved with this read

@Marshal

@TheBlueElixir

Arete has been caught up on Nappy, whom I think is town, and its been a rather narrow view as alot of what Arete has done revolves around nappy

why is this AI (meta would be appreciated)

why is a narrow view scummy

…because its a narrow view? Its a thing wolves do to avoid spewing alot of people, particularly since its a smaller game

I dont have alot of meta to back this up, but I do remember Arete doing something similar with kat in FoL 28(though Arete has claimed they do this as town too, which is actually something id like to see)

@Marshal

how is kyo in his town meta

ive already answered this

@TheBlueElixir

this game:
instantly walk in with reads and spend the whole day trying to make an impact with said reads

SFoL 60:
maybe make a read somewhere and try to stay out of the way

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catching up

@Marshal

I will admit that part of my TBE read is that he carried hard that game, did tons of solving, with logical and correct progression, and this game he is just… well i’ve laid it out

I rolled VT for the first time since I played mafia in the starcraft 2 arcade lobbies and the one role called ‘Judge’ villafied me

(yes I was a VT after being robbed but I was stil Zeus, effectively an IC once I claimed)

also that game was fun as heck, I strongmanned well and I was easily and always a townread for people

its easier to be town when your read that way, or at least get that impression

@sulit

Yeah I didn’t/don’t like how chill TBE is being its way different in my opinion.

…oh yeah

no i was about to snap last night

sorry bout that

(I know the quoted post isnt really about that but yes)

@an_gorta_pratai

How sure are we that Blue is mafia

you cant spell we without mafia

@orangeandblack5

MyLo is better than LyLo in most cases

dunno the difference besides 1v4 situations where no-lynch is the best choice

@katze

and proceed to… not even attempt to read me? You’re not even trying to follow your own opening posts! Furthermore, this post has… basically nothing. You quote one post, openly acknowledge that you are not fully aware of the context of said post , and that’s it.

…im trying to read for the question to respond to

no, I was not attempting to develop a read there, I was trying to explain where I already was

@katze

But if you’re not even gonna try to follow through, I struggle to see why you even make those posts in the first place.

I fail to believe you dont know this is dumb

of course im not going to lock myself into reading half of the game because my opening post said id prefer to read X over Y

and I said it because I was thinking it, and it was ~prompted, and will continue to work in a similar way.

@Arete

Kyo’s push on me this game and his push on me (as Estel) in Dreaming Gods game are fucking identical down to wording he uses

quote plz

oh and arete on Kyo

im going to defend it even if I didnt like kyo as much

@Arete

like Kyo pushed Marshalkat for giving PR cover despite the fact that that’s a strategy he’s familiar with and has employed himself (and then tried to cover up the fact that he was familiar with the strategy )

that did not happen.

it just didnt

lemme explain what did happen:

• Kyo says marshal prob scum for the joat softs and staying alive
• Kyo ~rescinds when he seeing Mode’s too obvious softs - this might’ve not been obvious enough?
• People quote the first thing, then call it wrong
• Kyo talks about mafia theory
• People argue mafia theory

thats what I read, anyway. It was a push that didnt last as long as the argument

@Arete

that slot (as both Nappy and Kyo) has had an extremely narrow focus – like, I get that we’re both tunnelled, tunnelling isn’t inherently scummy, but they’ve made no attempt at solving other slots except in pre-flippy ways

I think both sides have done that but w/e

@Arete

that slot (as Kyo) has, like, borderline openwolved (this is about Kyo calling for a quickhammer three hours into the day)

its not openwolving

but I do agree its really stupid and fully concede this

@an_gorta_pratai

Make a megapost for us

megapost or looser

/s

@Arete

does anyone remember any of TBE’s pushes

return of the

scumread

@an_gorta_pratai

I think Blue did make a wall post going over how Nappy was acting like his past town self and supplied quotes from previous games as well.

id like, actually, if you could provide your own reasoning, or what from my wall you consider the strongest points

getting sheeped on a read im now iffier on bad

@an_gorta_pratai

I think Blue could give us associations as well.

…why are you using my posts as an argument then assuming im scum?

@orangeandblack5

Hello TBE

Why are you town

because I caught two fish today one of which was a keeper

because my flavor is Loaf and theyd never give that to scum

because my rolecard said so

im going to leave it to you to figure which of the above it is

[Marshal]

/vote TBE

[TheBlueElixir]

should I sheep this

[orangeandblack5]

/vote TBE

[TheBlueElixir]

well im not putting myself at L-1

[TheBlueElixir]

or am I

[TheBlueElixir]

nah

[TheBlueElixir]

@Geyde

Banned	Banners	Number thing
KyoDaz	Arete/Ami, Marshal/Kat	2/4
Arete/Ami	KyoDaz	1/4
Derps/Gorta	Derps/Gorta	1/4

im top wagon

im going to tell mom

she’ll be so proud

[TheBlueElixir]

(this is me waiting for an explaination btw)

[TheBlueElixir]

cool and thank you

I know concede to your reasoning and must AtE

yes I know your typing marshal

[Marshal]

I feel like your reasoning leave… so much out.

@TheBlueElixir

im saying they both can, have and will come from town so that was a sucky reason to push

This ignores what I laid out about it coming from nap specifically

@TheBlueElixir

so arete says ‘your wolfy because your not tunneling me’ and you take that as a reason to think their town? I dont really see how that translates

I posted why I thought town!arete could have that thought, and posted (I think publicly, might have bene in teamchat) why the brashness of that reaction was specifically more town AI. Outright ignores that

@TheBlueElixir

did I answer the wrong question

well its above

and I think its weak reasons for the read

those two specific examples im using because thats where I saw it

Yes my reasons don’t make sense for my reads when you ignore my reasons that I post

@TheBlueElixir

@Marshal

(on dat) why does the way he think of his case come from a town mindset?

he feels less trapped or squirmy and more

‘this is absurd’

and saying why its absurd

This is meh

Like why does him thinking/saying it’s absurd make it like that. I have a similar thought and reasons but I want yours

This is the post I hate the least, it’s effectively a viberead, but I still want more.

@TheBlueElixir

…because its a narrow view? Its a thing wolves do to avoid spewing alot of people, particularly since its a smaller game

I dont have alot of meta to back this up, but I do remember Arete doing something similar with kat in FoL 28(though Arete has claimed they do this as town too, which is actually something id like to see)

This read is poor and arete can and has tunneled as town before, you yourself have admitted to outright ignoring the meta or not taking a look at it at least.

@TheBlueElixir

@Marshal

how is kyo in his town meta

ive already answered this

quote it

@TheBlueElixir

@Marshal

I will admit that part of my TBE read is that he carried hard that game, did tons of solving, with logical and correct progression, and this game he is just… well i’ve laid it out

I rolled VT for the first time since I played mafia in the starcraft 2 arcade lobbies and the one role called ‘Judge’ villafied me

(yes I was a VT after being robbed but I was stil Zeus , effectively an IC once I claimed)

also that game was fun as heck, I strongmanned well and I was easily and always a townread for people

its easier to be town when your read that way, or at least get that impression

You were carrying and proactive and had good reads way before you had claimed. You are consistently a high poster and super proactive. I’m not going to fault you for it if it’s IRL but in games like insurgency and SFoL 61/61.5 you were much more energetic so I don’t buy the excuse that you aren’t doing well because you randed VT. You’ve been unconfirmable before, and have still been active and proactive.

@TheBlueElixir

@katze

But if you’re not even gonna try to follow through, I struggle to see why you even make those posts in the first place.

I fail to believe you dont know this is dumb

of course im not going to lock myself into reading half of the game because my opening post said id prefer to read X over Y

and I said it because I was thinking it, and it was ~prompted, and will continue to work in a similar way.

I think this is a fair criticism from kat personally. You posted about how you were going to approach solving slots and didn’t follow through and said you probably wouldn’t anyways. I don’t think the thing kat pointed out is specifically AI but saying “I fail to believe you don’t know this is dumb” is super overblowing it.

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Oh and one last thing

@TheBlueElixir

being completely off topic is scummy because its completely off topic.

you have to be joking

You can at least look at like 2 games ever to see if this is AI. You are ignoring the counter to this already silly read.

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Like you just seem to be… outright ignoring a lot of things.

You ignored that I said the bad RT was uncharacteristic of town napoleon, not town players in general

you ignored my explination for why I thought arete was townie based off of their tunneling thing. I explained it. And you just,… ignore that!

you ignore basic meta. Meta isn’t a great way to read someone but you outright ignore the existence of it when saying things are AI from people when they aren’t.

Arete can tunnel as town. At best NAI
Ami can be off-topic a ton as town. At best NAI

It’s there, you are just ignoring it!!!

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Have you read all of the thread? Be completely honest.

[TheBlueElixir]

@Marshal

Have you read all of the thread? Be completely honest.

im backing up the reads I made at SoD btw, as you asked

have not read the whole thing yet

[Marshal]

If you haven’t read thread it’s possible you aren’t just deliberately ignoring things to make me and arete look worse and rather just didn’t see them.

I personally find it strange that you have 121 posts but haven’t read all of the thread

You have not been putting in consistent work this game
You haven’t looked for games to see if your argument is sound
You haven’t even read the whole thread!

But you present the arguments anyways with incomplete evidence and aren’t looking for context.

And while I don’t automatically hate people not reading (I don’t like it but it’s not explicitly scum AI), you’ve presented points against people that leave out important context and basically strawman indirectly (or directly)

I don’t even know what to think at this point this is so out of left field for you

I think I was gonna look at BoTF3 and then never did so i’m going to look at it again but just ahhh

[DatBird]

tbh i hate this post, the “i dont care” attitude doesn’t get your point across, but just like shuts down conversation and makes other people get aggravated. I can sense the aggravation in this post as well. Lets remember we are all humans on the other side of the screen other than PriestessBot /s. And like keep this a more chill environment when possible and try and treat other better.