[FM] Henry Stickmin Vig10er - Game Thread - Government (Town) Wins! (3/10)

[illumin8]

@Aelin

Marl’s play was way too stupid to come from scum
You… don’t go for a one-for-one there as scum, because if you win the thunderdome all that guarantees is you’ll die, and if you win, obviously it wouldn’t follow through. Besides, tunneling is… kinda Marl’s thing.

Why did you not expand on any of this yesterDay? Your words don’t quite align with your behavior at EoD.

@Aelin

Hnnng
The only thing stopping me from voting Arctic is his wall post on Shurian
Just because I can physically see where his tone starts to change as his read changes

@Aelin

My phone is deciding it doesn’t want to do spoilers but oh well
Basically, this is what I was referencing earlier
You can literally see where he goes “oh my read might be wrong oh shit” and you can feel his thought process change
I feel like Arctic is strong enough as town to do that, and I can’t really think of any reason why scum would do it

@Aelin

Okay
so, this is a pretty good post and I can definitely understand most of it
of course, there’s an obvious problem for me but I’m more interested in the thought process

@Aelin

Yes, I know, and I can follow your points, and I understand how you got there even if you ultimately came to the wrong conclusion in some places

@Aelin

I’m really not comfortable with this

@Aelin

I think Arctic is town for reasons I’ve stated earlier. I’m more iffy on Marl, but I don’t think flipping both makes sense regardless.

@Aelin

You keep saying this
what’s the solve if you guys are T/T

@Aelin

If Arctic is W, who’s his partner?
And Arctic, if Marl is W, who’s his partner? Cause I can tell you it ain’t me.

@Aelin

Finally something that I can get behind. I think there’s a decent possibility that Marl and Arctic are T/T. I’m more confident on Arctic of the two, but… still.

You state you aren’t comfortable with it, yet never state why, don’t make a giant effort to move things elsewhere, then coast after placing your vote on Jane

@Aelin

I can’t remember who, but I remember someone said Shurian/Min can’t be W/W and I really disagree with it. Regardless, I would like to hear a bit more on why Jane thinks I’m V because he really just hopped in, said it and then said nothing more about it. Don’t really like how Appel went “I’m TR’ing Light” to voting me for pressure within just a couple minutes, either. I can follow what you’re thinking pretty easily, even if you came to the wrong conclusion. Shurian overall has been weirder than usual, which I didn’t realize was possible, but…

@Aelin

I feel like that’s kinda faulty considering Clown Fiesta was easily one of my worst scumgames, but alright.

These are the last quotes I can find regarding Jane

You disliked both me and Shurian at the time, yet voted with us

Why not attempt a CFD onto one of your scumreads if you were confident in the wagons being V/V?

I have entered the world of confirmation bias and will need to take a step back to see things clearly, but I am having a hard time understanding this cognitive inconsistency!

[illumin8]

@Aelin

26 of gorta’s 36 posts are entirely NAI to the umpteenth degree

I agree that an_gorta should not be allowed to skate by today, but I am unsure what I can do to get them more active!

Solving their slot is absolutely a puzzle piece required to solve this game.

[illumin8]

I quite miss having Marluxion here.

It seems I took quite the nosedive into the PoE with his death, and I find it rather interesting.

Food for thought!

[illumin8]

@Appelsiini

Give me a 2-person PoE within the four of you, with reasonings

an_gorta, Light, Arctic

The remaining three.
They are PoE because I simply do not townread them to the extent I do everybody else.

(Everybody else being me, Shurian, min, you)

As it seems I am one of the likeliest to recieve the brunt of wolf agenda today I will have to make sure I am not misclearing anybody! If anybody in this list is not a villager, I believe it to be Shurian at this moment. This does not mean I think Shurian is a wolf; they are simply my weakest townread.

[Aelin]

Hindsight is a bitch
I had quite a bit of trouble even making it to EoD on time for reasons it’s best to not get into, and I apologize that I couldn’t have been there more.

[illumin8]

Eeegh
Alright.

[illumin8]

@Appelsiini can you talk to me about why you seemingly changed your mind regarding me? Or perhaps just your thoughts on me in general if I’m incorrect in that assumption?

Aside from min you are my top townread, and I would like to work together with you!

[illumin8]

For now,

/vote Light @EliThePsycho @Intensify

Let’s see where this day takes us!

[Intensify]

Wierd I didn’t get pinged

Voted	Voters	Count
ArcticXI	Shurian	1/4
Light	illumin8	1/4
No vote	min, Gorta, Appelsiini, Light, ArcticXI	5

[illumin8]

@an_gorta_pratai

it started?

@an_gorta_pratai

I’ll be here in a bit

@an_gorta_pratai

I’ll be here for like 5 or 10 minutes

@an_gorta_pratai

I was building a grand cabin in valheim for the last hour

@an_gorta_pratai

I’ll be on more tomorrow

@an_gorta_pratai

I have a party to attend now

@an_gorta_pratai

I don’t really feel like doing much of anything right now, but I’ll try to do stuff

@an_gorta_pratai

sad

@an_gorta_pratai

anyway, I’ll try to make reads

@an_gorta_pratai

will people be here in about 20-30 minutes?

@an_gorta_pratai

I want to watch a youtube video quickly

@an_gorta_pratai

will you be here by the EoD?

@an_gorta_pratai

then we’re good

@an_gorta_pratai

fun fact: I slept like most of the day away

@an_gorta_pratai

I was explaining why I wasn’t here

@an_gorta_pratai

I thought I had less time, so in that case I want to get in a better state of mind

@an_gorta_pratai

I guess I’ll have to look at Arctic

@an_gorta_pratai

sigh, this is fun, so my lack of sleep is catching up to me and I have to look at Arctic and Marl now

@an_gorta_pratai

if I somehow don’t show up I fell asleep, but I’ll try not to

@an_gorta_pratai

when does it end?

@an_gorta_pratai

I’m sorry for that EoD, I fell asleep and slept past the EoD

@an_gorta_pratai

I hate to bail now, but I must sleep.

@an_gorta_pratai

I’ll be on later

@an_gorta_pratai

don’t be, I’ll make more content today

I don’t normally get serious like this but I find myself incredibly frustrated at the moment.

@an_gorta_pratai
This is a problem.
I am not spoilering this post so that you can see the sheer amount of nothingness within your own ISO.
This is a compilation of all your posts that are entirely NAI/not-game-related.
You are making no efforts, regardless of alignment, to play this game! It is entirely unfair to the rest of us who are putting in effort and time to solve this match.

I don’t know you, and I don’t know if you’re doing this purposely to prove a point (as others have said) or if you genuinely do not have time for this game.

If you are a wolf and win, it will be entirely undeserved in my opinion, as you are doing nothing to affect the gamestate!

If you are a villager, you are directly going against our efforts to win by not allowing us to find you and slot you as town, as well as not bringing any thoughts to the table, when we are in a 5v2 scenario and need every mind! You are allowing yourself to be LHF and a potential mislynch.

Responding to three posts with one word answers every 6-12 hours is not contributing your fair share!

If there is something going on that is not allowing you to find enjoyment in this game, please let me know how I can change that and make this a better place for you. We need your help.

[illumin8]

I’m quite surprised that it seems all dead-villager reads have been forgotten or ignored!

@Marluxion

also i’ve never been more confident in appel being town don’t tinfoil her when i’m gone

@Marluxion

Also
once i’m gone
Illumin/Appel/Shuri town
of these i am almost certain
don’t tinfoil until lylo

@Marluxion

Light i could see going either way but slight lean v
illumin i’m convinced is town
second most confident read

@Marluxion

i never said anyone can’t scumread appel or illumin
i just said not to tinfoil them once i flip because i townread them as a legacy

Marl’s legacy.

Along with quite a lot of ‘Arctic is a wolf’ posts, as expected. This is not all of them:

@Marluxion

i’m reading this mafia game of mine that ended a couple weeks ago and its like reading arctic in this game

@Marluxion

The more I look at this playerlist
The more I’m like
The odds of jane and arctic not containing a scum is so fucking small

@Marluxion

Derps
I need you to consider the angle of arctic just
Improving his wolf game
I didn’t read his first wolf game
But I think this is his second one. I’m confident

@Marluxion

Except the tonally dissonant posts where he shifts into jokey/trolley arctic when he isn’t talking about game related content

His emotion isn’t real

@Marluxion

Yes I do
I think town arctics frustration would be way more obvious

@Marluxion

Like
I can feel his emotion when something doesn’t go his way in a misc game

I feel nothing here

@Marluxion

He was forced into it by my push
I’ve literally and metaphorically boxed him in

@SirDerpsAlot

Marl/arctic just exudes T/T energy

If either of them are wolves their handling this in a very odd way.

@SirDerpsAlot

Ill shoot min or light probabaly if Jane flips W

I really just dont see a W arctic world and I beg of you to consider this over the night so we dont need to deal with the tunnel tomorrow

@SirDerpsAlot

Marl sheep me and shuri on arctic

dont try to be a hero Iv learned that hero plays dont work the very hard way

@SirDerpsAlot

yes

and I dont think that second wolf is arctic

@SirDerpsAlot

If scum arent in Jane/light/min

its probs just shuri marl tbh but I very highly doubt thats the case

SirDerps’ final posts.

It’s very hard for me to determine what is and isn’t worth listening to, as SirDerps didn’t quite explain his reads

Along with this, I heavily believe SirDerps to have died in a vigilante hunt, which means he likely was not killed for his reads, but rather his role!

I heavily believe that Appelsiini is a villager, and I will respect Marluxion’s legacy in that regard, as he seems to have prior history playing with them. This merely supplements my confidence.

I feel inclined to sponge SirDerps’ read regarding an_gorta, and do not want to elim there today unless his posts are terrible.

I am looking at:
illumin8
min
Appelsiini

Shurian
an_gorta

Arctic&Light

[Arctic]

@Appelsiini

@Arctic

there would be no reason for wolves to try and vote out jane when there were v/v wagons in me and marl

@Arctic

unless they wanted to stop us getting resolved so one of us would be vig shot and the other would get ML’ed today

So what’s your conclusion?

i think it’s more the first option initially but then the wolves joined in after they realized they could do option 2

@illumin8

You are allowing yourself to be LHF and a potential mislynch.

he does this like
every game
and is known for getting ML’ed in lylo incredibly frequently

[min]

hihihi

let me talk about who I find to be town and everyone else

[min]

I’m a bit busy so give me just a bit of time, it won’t be long

[illumin8]

I’m having a very hard time coming to any solid conclusions regarding vote-count-analysis without knowing Arctic’s alignment

[min]

okay so

min
shurian
illumin

pretty confident in being town ^

appel
light

^ meh

gorta

^ tree
arctic

^ wolf

[illumin8]

Will you explain your ‘meh’ tier please?

[Arctic]

explain it in a world where i’m villager because that’s going to be what matters if i flip today

[min]

I don’t really feel confident townreading them yet

[illumin8]

@Arctic

explain it in a world where i’m villager because that’s going to be what matters if i flip today

Or… you could?

You have TMI on your alignment, and you are in the best place to solve this game if you are a villager.
Yet the amount of work you have put forth today has been minimal

I can’t confidently solve around you being either alignment, as you have not done much to sway me in either direction today, and we are nearly at the 24-hour point.

Can you at least answer the question Appelsiini put forward earlier?

@Appelsiini

Give me a 2-person PoE within the four of you, with reasonings
Adding yourself is acceptable

Or perhaps talk about… Well, anything?
Who do you townread?