[FM] Henry Stickmin Vig10er - Game Thread - Government (Town) Wins! (3/10)

[illumin8]

I’ve stated my confusion multiple times. I picked up at some point that you all were speaking about his inactivity. It was mostly Shurian’s comment about… shooting the forest? That confused me xD

[Aelin]

No, Your Honor, I said he was shot in the lumbar region.

[Aelin]

… nothing? Tough crowd.

[Arctic]

if you didn’t understand the conversation earlier then i implore you to take another look as you’ll probably now understand why it means appel is almost always a wolf

the bottom line is she answered “gorta” to marl’s question of who they are sure about is a wolf, despite gorta only having 8 or something posts, and appelsiini only making 2 posts about him which were hardly even reads

then she kind of messed up by saying that they SR’ed gorta for being inactive as town even though he’s normally active as town and inactive as a wolf

@Arctic

@Appelsiini

My whole read was based on their inactivity, because as far as I knew, Gorta being AFK to this extent wasn’t normal for him. We played both Pokemon 9er and Umineko, and those are my most recent games with him, so I was under the assumption that was his normal scum meta

what
he was active in those games as scum, and he’s inactive in this game
so how does this make you SR him

@Appelsiini

That was meant as in “The more Gorta is AFK, the more he’s confirming he’s scum who stopped trying after Umineko”

And was in response to “why are you not pushing Gorta”
Because who would push someone who will out themselves anyway?

gorta never really gets ‘outted’, he just sort of falls over and dies when someone actually decidse to push him, often in bad faith

@Appelsiini

You’re nitpicking my posts to deliberately look for things that could come from a wolf, and giving them a narrative that makes it seem like that’s what I’m trying to do

no, i’m asking about something i noticed which i thought made no sense, and apparently still doesn’t

[illumin8]

I’m now re-reading quite a lot xD

[Arctic]

@Arctic

active as

inactive

[Arctic]

@Arctic

then she kind of messed up by saying that they SR’ed gorta for being inactive as town even though he’s normally active as town and inactive as a wolf

god i messed this up
this is meant to say he’s normally inactive as town and active as wolf

[Arctic]

appel was reading him based on his activity this game, which somehow led her to a scumread
despite the fact he is always inactive as town

[illumin8]

Re-reading makes me sad, because I regret killing Jane I feel they would have been a good asset.

Hindsight is… 20/20, I suppose.

[illumin8]

I have a take, but it may not be the one you want to hear, Arctic.

[illumin8]

@Appelsiini

The first thing he did was start pushing Light, and combined with the confidence they had, I’d say it comes from a town perspective. I feel like a wolf wouldn’t want to draw attention to themselves by tunneling on one person in that manner, especially in this set-up where there’s a vig that can just yeet the pusher if Light were to flip V. It really depends on how Marl handles Light’s slot as the day goes on, and how Light responds to it.

If Appelsiini is a wolf, this looks like TMI on Light being V. This is regarding Marluxion’s early push on the slot.

There was no ‘unless Marl and Light are W/W,’ just ‘Marl would not push a villager like this.’
That teambuilding came much, much later.

Hmrph.

[Arctic]

i mean, do you think it was necessary to explicit state ‘unless w/w’?
reading this post i did kind of forget to consider this angle

[illumin8]

I’m thinking of this from a wolf perspective, not from a villager one.

As a villager, who knows. I didn’t consider it at the time, and I said basically the same thing as Appelsiini here

But, as a wolf, I know when someone is pushing my packmate, my first response isn’t to townread someone for it because ‘if they flip V, it would look bad for them.’ It isn’t a natural thought to have about somebody you know to be a wolf. Does this make sense?

[Arctic]

yeah i kind of see what you mean
though it was more of a hypothetical so i don’t know how much weight it holds

[illumin8]

I’ll keep reading and looking.

Would you mind re-posting all of your large cases regarding Appelsiini? Or where your arguments/interactions begin? I am getting very preflippy, and it always makes me nervous that I’m wasting precious time teambuilding a villager.

I need some certainty xD

[Arctic]

what if i made a new one

[illumin8]

I dare you!

[illumin8]

I also would like to mention that if Appelsiini is a wolf, I don’t quite see her treatment of an_gorta as partnered? Bussing is less than optimal in this setup, and she would have started it fairly early. Looks more like agenda to me.

The issue is… if I come to the conclusion Appelsiini and Light are not W/W, that leaves me with Shurian/Appelsiini.
Which would rock my world. Nobody has looked into that possibility yet. Ack.

[illumin8]

@illumin8

rock my world

Oops. Meant ruin my world!
It’s hard for me to imagine this.
But we will see.

[illumin8]

I will be back soon.

@min can you please uhm… thought dump? Give me all your current takes, please. For some mystical reason I feel like we may not see you tomorrow. xD